Naam Jap, Simran and Naam Simran

Prakashji,

If I tell you that all NOUN words in Gurbani are COLLECTIVE NOUN not the Normal Noun as we know.If you get confirmation to this what would be your reaction of understanding.?Certainly initially you may feel upset but you will definitely evaluate the use of any such word which is not a reference for COLLECTIVE NOUN.
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You are implying something which is at odds with the very first line of Mool Mantra, could you explain?
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HARRY HALLAR Ji,
O.K. Pl let me know about your understanding about NOUN and COLLECTIVE NOUN.
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It will become easier for me to clarify this.
Prakash.S.Bagga

A noun is a word used to name a person, animal, place, thing, and abstract idea
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A collective noun names a group of two or more persons, places, things, or ideas

HARRY HALLAR Ji,
Very Good.
Now try to know the grammer of the word Guru.
You can see that this word "Guru" in Gurmukhi script is written with a matra of Dulaekad(two lines under the letter R of the word Gur) This is the reason I prefer to write this word Guru as GuRoo.

Now you should understand that in Gurbani any NOUN word with two lines under its last letter is a COLLECTIVE NOUN (for representing two things together).
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I would like you first to get yourself confirmed for this.We can proceed later on as I want to go slow so that you can develop the correct understanding in your own style.

Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakashji

Completely with you so far 100%, carry on ji

HARRY HALLAR Ji,
Thanks for your confirmation,

Now you can also see a word Gur with a matra of Aukad(word with a singleline under the letter R) so this is simple NOUN word.(representing someting single)
(You can also note that in English version the word Gur with matra of Aukad does not exist as the indication of this matra is not there.) This is a major mistakein English.)

So I write this word Gur with a matra of Aukad as Guru.The grammer of this word is very crucial for the whole of understanding of Gurbani.This word Guru is NOUN as well as COLLECTIVE NOUN depending upon the context of its use.(This you can learn gradually as this is really most important to understand.
All Noun/Cllective Nounwords as SINGULAR and,

Therefore the word Gur is PLURAL(for representing more than two things together..)

Therefore all the NOUN/ADJECTIVE words in Gurbani are visible in the above pattern of Grammer.This is the Uniqueness of Gurbani grammer.

So try to grasp this from Gurmukhi version of Gurbani.
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With best wishes
Prakash.S.Bagga

Ifyou have understood this then we can proceed for the grammer of CREATOR in Gurbani.

Sat Sri Akaal,

Though "Learned"
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Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

proceed Prakashji, I am completely with it so far,

HARRY HALLAR ji,
I think having grasped the basics of Gurbani grammer you can see yourself how the references for the CREATOR are COLLECTIVE NOUN.
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Now look at the grammer of the word GOD which is not a Collective Noun so this makes the difference in using the word GOD for CREATOR in context of Gurbani.
Prakash.S.Bagga