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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: Review of ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ (saṯ nām) Seekr9 ji I have gotten help form Srigranth.org but included Bhai Manmohan Singh and Prof. Sahib Singh's discourse in Punjabi from the following, http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gur...=1&t=1&p=1&k=1 Quote:
(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Page 290)
ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥
सलोकु ॥
Salok.
Shalok:
ਸਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧੀ ਆਪਿ ॥
सरगुन निरगुन निरंकार सुंन समाधी आपि ॥
Sargun nirgun nirankār sunn samāḏẖī āp.
He possesses all qualities; He transcends all qualities; He is the Formless Lord. He Himself is in Primal Samaadhi.
ਆਪਨ ਕੀਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਜਾਪਿ ॥੧॥
आपन कीआ नानका आपे ही फिरि जापि ॥१॥
Āpan kī▫ā nānkā āpe hī fir jāp. ||1||
Through His Creation, O Guru Nanak, He meditates on Himself. ||1||
| ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥ ਸਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰਗੁਨ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧੀ ਆਪਿ ॥ ਆਪਨ ਕੀਆ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਆਪੇ ਹੀ ਫਿਰਿ ਜਾਪਿ ॥੧॥ सलोकु ॥ सरगुन निरगुन निरंकार सुंन समाधी आपि ॥ आपन कीआ नानका आपे ही फिरि जापि ॥१॥ Salok. Sargun nirgun nirankār sunn samāḏẖī āp. Āpan kī▫ā nānkā āpe hī fir jāp. ||1|| Shalok: He possesses all qualities; He transcends all qualities; He is the Formless Lord. He Himself is in Primal Samaadhi. Through His Creation, O Guru Nanak, He meditates on Himself. ||1|| ਸਲੋਕ। ਰੂਪ-ਰਹਿਤ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਖੁਦ ਹੀ ਸੰਬੰਧਤ ਤੇ ਅਸੰਬੰਧਤ ਹੈ। ਉਹ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਅਫੁਰ ਤਾੜੀ ਅੰਦਰ ਹੈ। ਨਾਨਕ, ਆਪਣੀ ਨਿਜ ਦੀ ਰਚਨਾ ਰਾਹੀਂ, ਉਹ ਮੁੜ ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਦਾ ਆਰਾਧਨ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ। ਸਰਗੁਨ = ਤ੍ਰਿਗੁਣੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਦਾ ਰੂਪ। ਨਿਰਗੁਨ = ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਤਿੰਨਾਂ ਗੁਣਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਪਰੇ। ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ = ਆਕਾਰ-ਰਹਿਤ। ਸੁੰਨ = ਸੁੰਞ, ਜਿਥੇ ਕੁਝ ਨਾਹ ਹੋਵੇ। ਸੁੰਨ ਸਮਾਧੀ = ਟਿਕਾਉ ਦੀ ਉਹ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਜਿਥੇ ਸੁੰਞ ਹੋਵੇ, ਕੋਈ ਫੁਰਨਾ ਨਾਹ ਉਠੇ। ਕੀਆ = ਪੈਦਾ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੋਇਆ। ਜਾਪਿ = ਜਾਪੈ, ਜਪ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ, ਯਾਦ ਕਰ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ।੧। ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ (ਭਾਵ, ਆਕਾਰ-ਰਹਿਤ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ) ਤ੍ਰਿਗੁਣੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਦਾ ਰੂਪ (ਭਾਵ, ਜਗਤ ਰੂਪ) ਭੀ ਆਪ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਮਾਇਆ ਦੇ ਤਿੰਨਾਂ ਗੁਣਾਂ ਤੋਂ ਪਰੇ ਭੀ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਹੈ, ਅਫੁਰ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਵਿਚ ਟਿਕਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ ਭੀ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਹੈ। ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! (ਇਹ ਸਾਰਾ ਜਗਤ) ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੇ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਰਚਿਆ ਹੈ (ਤੇ ਜਗਤ ਦੇ ਜੀਵਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਬੈਠ ਕੇ) ਆਪ ਹੀ (ਆਪਣੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਯਾਦ ਕਰ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ।੧। Quote: | In summary my understanding of the essence of the above is that, the creator creates endlessly and through it sees the self without association with all the elements that get generated in creation. |
Let us review how it appears. So the creator creates and that directly reflects the creator. However the creator has no need to be linked directly in itself to the goings on in the creation. The “Maya” or the trap is set by creator’s creation but creator does not have any association with such nor has the entrapment as a concept in creation. An example perhaps in the context of say the famous five thieves perceived by many. Namely; Kam , Karodh, Lobh, Moh and Ahankar. So we are part of creation and we see these but it does not imply that these are actually created by the creator or have any association with the creator. So in a way it answers the phrase that is heard at times uttered by some people as a catch-22 like fashion, - ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਚਗ਼ੇ ਕੰਮ ਅਤੇ ਮਾੜੇ ਕੰਮ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਕਰਾਉੰਦਾ ਹੈ।
- The creator gets us to do good deeds and the bad deeds.
- Sometimes there is a deduction that the creator created bad to guide the good as to what to avoid or show what is bad.
This Gurbani reference clears that mis-conception that the creator creates and is not a director post creation and expects the now created to get going in consonance with the rest.
Just perhaps my little thoughts if it helps. Sat Sri Akal. PS: I will attend to the second part of your post later if necessary. I strongly suggest that if you are good with Punjabi that while going through Srigranth.org tha you turn on the Teeka by Prof. Sahib Singh and Punjabi discourse by Bhai Manmohan Singh. It helps me a lot even though I try to read it for me and see it for myself these two help a great deal.
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17-Oct-2011, 01:03 AM
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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: Review of ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ (saṯ nām) Dear Ambarsaria Ji
Many thanks for this
I will come back to it but have a couple of assignments on the go so may need to take a wee break
Re Punjabi, sadly I speak it but cannot read and write it. I am the only one in my family born here.
But I am attempting to remedy that and am also putting my own boys through Punjabi school at the
Gurdwara
Incidentally, I do not want to go off at a tangent but any recommendations for Punjabi learning resources Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37240-sri-guru-granth-sahib-review-sa.html
printed or online would be much appreciated
Thanks again
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17-Oct-2011, 22:37 PM
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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: Review of ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ (saṯ nām) SatNam-truth is his name, so we start with One creator present as one essence everywhere, whose name is the (eternal) truth. The truth is a difficult one, there is the truth, and then there is the eternal truth, I have inserted the word eternal as the human truth can be difficult to quantify, for example, I walk down the street, 2 houses are burning, one contains my wife, one contains my mother, which house do I enter first, I have to confess from a human point of view I do not know, but the answer is known to eternal truth, I would like to think, even if the answer is 'take a close look at the fires, which one has a better chance of survival', but somewhere there is a truth that is holy and sacred and never wrong.
Such a truth , for me, I cannot imagine, a truth that penetrates all, sees through all known factors, all known circumstances, takes into account all known outcomes, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37240Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37240
Living life so hard that you end up with 3 heart attacks at 36 (its ok im fine now), gives you a certain insight into people, people think you can read their minds, but its much simpler than that, its called perception, and living hard does fine tune your ability to be perceptive, I suppose as long as you have learnt something along the way, but for those that are in tune with the creator within, I would imagine they have an ability that dwarfs mine, an ability to sort out the eternal truth from the convenient truth or the truth at that time or the incomplete truth, I think that encapsulates SatNam for me, thank you | | The following members appreciate harry haller Ji for the above message. | | 
17-Oct-2011, 22:52 PM
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| | | | | Re: Sri Guru Granth Sahib: Review of ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ (saṯ nām) Harry Veer ji the "Eternal" part is subsequent words in this composition and applies to all the qualities of creator that are unchanging. Good point to flag it though as you did.
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