God, Jesus, and Gurus

Sikhism believes that god is in everything and everyone. He knows what u r thinkiing he knows your deepest dark seceret. (phala bhura ke peer pashanat).....Forgive my spelling. (god was in the gurus)
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As do christians believe that Jesus was God. I am not going to get to deep in to cristianity but from what i have learned about it; is it strongly relates to sikhism with the 5 ks (kaam, krodh, lob, mo and hounkar) they believe these are also sins not to be commited.
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So since Sikhism believes god is in everyone. Should sikhism believe or should i say do sikhs believe in Jesus?

Could Jesus be considered a GURU?.... and since he was before the time of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.......IS JESUS the FIRST GURU...?

 
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I'm not sure where to start on this...

Most Christians believe in the Holy Trinity

1. God the Father - Yahweh/Jehovah

1. God the Son - Jesus/Christ

1. God the Holy Spirit

Not all do, however. Some believe that Jesus was an inspired man and was not God .

I think there is some confusion as to the word "Guru." There are many "gurus," teachers of various sorts. Certainly Jesus was one of these. So was Buddha. So was Mahavira. So were many others.

In Sikhi, when we speak of our Gurus, we are speaking only of 10 specific men from Guru Nanak Dev ji to Guru Gobind Singh and our eternal Guru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. So while Jesus is a "guru,' he is not a "Guru" in the Sikh sense. I hope that is clear.

As Sikhs, we respect Jesus as we respect the holy people of all religions. He points one way to get to the Ultimate. Personally, I find most of his teachings to be beautiful and true. To be totally honest, I do not like the religion that is supposedly based on his teachings, but that is not the topic here.

BTW, what you are calling the 5 ks are actually the 5 evil thieves that rob us of peace.

The 5 ks are actually our articles of faith: kes, khanga, kirpan, kara, kechhera. I'm sure that was just a slip.

Thank you for your insight yes that was a slip on the 5 k's sorry..

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Yes his jesus ji had great teachings.
I believe in jesus do as do i also respect the holy people of other religons.

I have question does that mena it is okay to celebrate christmas

They have been countless people who have been father, mother, brother, sister, wife, husband etc before you. But who made you a son, daughter or spouse is your first and only relation. Same for Guru. The Guru who made you a Sikh is your only True Guru. He is First and the Last, Before the start of time and after the End of Universe.

When I was a kid, we went whole hog for Christmas, lights, decorations, the tree, presents - and Dad really did look like a tall, athletic Santa Claus with his red turban and flowing white beard. We had a lot of fun. It was a fully cultural Christmas - minus Christ. To be truthful. I don't think any of us thought much about it.

Until our 6 year old son came home one day asking, "Are we Christians?"

"Of course not, son! You know we're Sikhs! Why would you ask such a question?"

With a knowing gleam in those young eyes, he responded, "If we're not Christians, why do we celebrate the birth of their God? That seems kind of disrespectful if we don't believe in him."

Under his steady gaze, all our arguments about it being just for fun, for cultural reasons, because everybody else was celebrating, seemed just as hollow as they really are. We never again celebrated Christmas at our house, although the festivities continued at the family home in the city.

I think it is a personal choice whether to celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday, but I personally would lean toward "No, not in our homes, but it's OK to join in nonreligious celebrations with our friends and at school."

Regarding celebrating Christmas, do you mean secularly? Christmas in the West is these days just a secular festival. I have read blogs where Sikhs do get into the Christmas spirit and will have a tree in their house decorated, with presents underneath, have a feast with their families, etc. That is one way to celebrate Christmas, was the way it was celebrated all my life and the way I continue to celebrate it with my family.

The other way to celebrate Christmas is to go to midnight mass, to sing Christmas carols about the birth of the saviour Christ, to celebrate it spiritually and religiously. I don't think this is appropriate for a Sikh as it is basically worship of something other than Waheguru. You can participate if you want to as an observer, I think, but better to leave the worship to the Christians.
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Same with Easter, the chocolate festival (hehe).

Same with diwali, from what I understand. Sikhs celebrate at diwali but I'm sure they don't celebrate it for the religious reasons.
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A good test I suppose would be to look at the surrounding universal Truths in the celebration and focus on those. Giving gifts, spending time with family, these are good things and any excuse is a good excuse.

Ish

God is not a person.
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Go back and study the mool mantar

The holy spirit is an external entity. Waheguru is an integral part of creation.

Well, my post looks silly now next to Mai ji's (posted right before I posted mine!).

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When I was a Pagan I struggled more with Christmas celebrations than I do now. It was right in the front of my mind that althought there was nothing spiritual or religion in any of my family celebrations, the day was indeed dedicated to the birth of Christ, and I had a problem with that.
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But as a Sikh, I haven't worried so much about that. I enjoy the time more with family and friends (and the leave I get from work!!).

Hmm... *ponders *

ok fair enough we can celebrate it as a fetival. In thats case we can celebrate anything as a festival without a true religous meaning; but doese that mean we are offending and disrespecting cristainity since we really dont believe in jesus but yet still continue to celebrate it.
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Now the real question here is religously is it wrong for sikh to believe that jesus was indeed equal as the ten gurus in sikhism. Can we or should we have faith jesus as well since quoted by mai harinder kaur ji that "jesus in fact is a guru"
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Not trying offend anyone