Understanding the Journey of the Devotees of the Lord

Astroboy · #28 (**permalink**) 10-Jan-2009, 08:06 AM

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So far this is what I have understood and am struggling to walk on it, obviously when I fall, I feel it in a big way.

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When ever I fall, the cause is the same we struggle against. Some times I feel while discussing an issue, I am falling. Many times I think of getting out of it but the mission I have to share Guru Message with others keeps me in it. I am literally on cross roads in this context. Guru ji speaks directly in this context, please ponder over
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 384
ਸਾਚਿ ਨਾਮਿ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਨੁ ਲਾਗਾ ॥
Sācẖ nām merā man lāgā.
My mind is attached to the True Name.
ਲੋਗਨ ਸਿਉ ਮੇਰਾ ਠਾਠਾਬਾਗਾ ॥੧॥
Logan si▫o merā ṯẖāṯẖā bāgā. ||1||
My dealings with other people are only superficial. ||1||
ਬਾਹਰਿ ਸੂਤੁ ਸਗਲ ਸਿਉ ਮਉਲਾ॥
Bāhar sūṯ sagal si▫o ma▫ulā.
Outwardly, I am on good terms with all;

ਅਲਿਪਤੁ ਰਹਉ ਜੈਸੇ ਜਲ ਮਹਿ ਕਉਲਾ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Alipaṯ raha▫o jaise jal mėh ka▫ulā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
but I remain detached, like the lotus upon the water. ||1||Pause||
ਕੀ ਬਾਤ ਸਗਲ ਸਿਉ ਕਰਤਾ॥
Mukẖ kī bāṯ sagal si▫o karṯā.
By word of mouth, I talk with everyone;
ਜੀਅ ਸੰਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਅਪੁਨਾ ਧਰਤਾ॥੨
Jī▫a sang parabẖ apunā ḏẖarṯā. ||2||
but I keep God clasped to my heart. ||2||
ਦੀਸਿ ਆਵਤ ਹੈ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਭੀਹਾਲਾ॥
Ḏīs āvaṯ hai bahuṯ bẖīhālā.
I may appear utterly terrible,
ਸਗਲ ਚਰਨ ਕੀ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਰਾਲਾ॥੩॥
Sagal cẖaran kī ih man rālā. ||3||
but my mind is the dust of all men's feet.
ਨਾਨਕ ਜਨਿ ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
Nānak jan gur pūrā pā▫i▫ā.
Servant Nanak has found the Perfect Guru.
ਅੰਤਰਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਏਕੁ ਦਿਖਾਇਆ ॥੪॥੩॥੫੪॥
Anṯar bāhar ek ḏikẖā▫i▫ā. ||4||3||54||
Inwardly and outwardly, He has shown me the One Lord. ||4||3||54||
There is a lot of Guru Advice on Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 297.

PK70 Ji,

As hungry a soul I am right now, this video clip was brought to my attention recently.
It's about who we really are ? Or close to it.

YouTube - How it feels to have a stroke

YouTube - How it feels to have a stroke

pk70 · #29 (**permalink**) 10-Jan-2009, 23:47 PM

namjap ji

It is very informatory video about brains and to understand effects of disabled part of brains. Dr. Tailor has presented it exceptionally interesting way. Thanks for sharing it with SPN members and guests.

I would like to add here my expressions in relevant to our earlier discussion. The enlightened ones become able to disable that part of brains that keeps us on the fire. By having stroke as Dr. Tailor had, one can experience that. Surprisingly the society shows sympathy and passion for the victim of the stroke but in the case enlightened one, it rarely does as it fails to understand the state of mind. Those who hinder the seeker to progress spiritually actually are not aware of that act by being very ignorant about it. All said in above quoted Guru shabad are instructions of disabling that function of the brains that drags us to the fire when it is not needed. Unlike in the stroke-state,we can go to the past or imagine the future but when that function is disabled, no effect materializes in any way. Thanks.

Narayanjot Kaur · #30 (**permalink**) 11-Jan-2009, 01:47 AM

pk70 ji

Thank you for being able to put this into words. It was impossible for me to figure out how to say this:
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/23771-understanding-the-journey-of-devotees-lord.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23771

The enlightened ones become able to disable that part of brains that keeps us on the fire.

This is important -- otherwise enlightenment would be a simple case of brain-wave activation with no particular spiritual significance attached to it. You could get the same result with electrodes. Sat Nam.

Archived_Member5 · #31 (**permalink**) 13-Jan-2009, 03:26 AM

‘’Conquering one’s mind avails not, nor family friends and well wishers, when the tyrannical one has cast you into hell. Should I play the victim my Lord will be accused as my tormentor, therefore I sully my superficial demeanour with ubiquitous ambiguity. I Am, and yet I am not, wheretofore I roam my soul doth find and expose me. I will not bow or submit and he proffers forth not his hand. Is it the Lords will or is my defeat the defeat of him also. The head ache’s and tormented remains, I dispense of my thoughts and in confusion remain. Where shall I run for not of this world am I, yet I remain. ‘’man gur mil ke kaaj savare’’ . I bleed and the world bleeds with me, in my despair I am and I am not to shield me from the enemies of my Lord in whose capture I remain. ‘’Aap hath deh mohe bachavo’’. I will not run to another or seek assistance, only your mercy can save me, am I wrong, should I run, and if so to where would I go. Should I enquire of silent remain. She dwells in her abode, whilst the five loot and pillage of her good fortune, the five are unseen demagogues neither friend nor family. Unseen and unknown. To win again the Love of the Lord is to gain grace from ones Patti Ji. I am bound and the enemy greater than he and I. I could not cast a shadow of danger upon he who gave me nothing but shelter and peace. Behinds me lies the ruins of my father house, and my in laws home. There are demons spewn forth from this being my Lord has denied his grace to confer. I have lost my way, and yet I look and find little lights flickering in my darkness, leading my way back unto the right path. It is not I who roam, nor of any sin have I committed. The witnesses bleed with my tortured soul, and death comes not to take me. What to do ... ‘’ Anon.