Understanding the Journey of the Devotees of the Lord

So then,

ਤੂੰ ਦਰੀਆਉ ਸਭ ਤੁਝ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥
thoon dhareeaao sabh thujh hee maahi ||
You are the River of Life; all are within You.

If we are drawn to Him, and our Love for Him is first of all our loves, and as pk70 ji says, "the second one is to be in love with the Lord and paying no attention to what the world says in pursuit of the Creator," does it not follow that we will love others as well.

Two quatrains from the Shabad by Guru Ram Das in raag Aasaa, on Ang 11 (and continues on Ang 12)

 
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the second one is to be in love with the Lord and paying no attention to what the world says in pursuit of the Creator," does it not follow that we will love others as well.(quote aad0002Ji)


aad Jio, very good question, lets not draw a line between the two as there is none.
We must understand that falling in love with the Lord, doesn’t mean hating His creation or His own part (Sargun Sroop).
Any one, who falls in love with the Lord, certainly will love His creation as well. If a person doesn’t love His creation, how to love Him is possible? Loving and getting lost only in His creation is the problem. The devotees do not involve too much in His creation to forget Him. There is a difference between falling in love with His creation and living in His love. When a real devotee falls in love with the Lord, he/she stops feeding ego and remains detached to His loving Creation, which is a contrary to what the world believes in. So“sansaarees” judge him/her by calling “pagal/crazy” but the devotees doesn’t pay attention to their judgment because they just do not know what they do. The real lover of the Lord doesn’t see the Lord separate from His creation but his hunger for the union with the Lord is satisfied only when he/she abandons that part of him/her that hinders the union, also known as ego and influence of Maya. When that happens, loving His creation doesn’t become chain in the spiritual progress. If that love for the creation tries to chain the soul to it, the real devotees wouldn’t let it do it. As per Gurbani, the Lord Himself created His Creation and settled it in Maya. ਬਾਬਾ ਮਾਇਆ ਰਚਨਾ ਧੋਹੁ ॥ ਅੰਧੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਵਿਸਾਰਿਆ ਨਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਏਹ ਨ ਓਹੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Bābā mā▫i▫ā racẖnā ḏẖohu. Anḏẖai nām visāri▫ā nā ṯis eh na oh. ||1|| rahā▫o.
O Father! deceitful is the splendor of worldly object. The (spiritually) blind man has forgotten God's Name. He neither abides in peace in this world nor in the next. Pause.


Warning is against blind attachment towards His creation not loving it as His part, Guru ji also calls it a pill of intoxication.
ਅਮਲੁ ਗਲੋਲਾ ਕੂੜ ਕਾ ਦਿਤਾ ਦੇਵਣਹਾਰਿ ॥ ਮਤੀ ਮਰਣੁ ਵਿਸਾਰਿਆ ਖੁਸੀ ਕੀਤੀ ਦਿਨ ਚਾਰਿ ॥ ਸਚੁ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਤਿਨ ਸੋਫੀਆ ਰਾਖਣ ਕਉ ਦਰਵਾਰੁ ॥੧॥
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Sirīrāg mėhlā 1. Amal gaā kūṛ kā ḏiṯā ḏevaṇhār. Maṯī maraṇ visāri▫ā kẖusī kīṯī ḏin cẖār. Sacẖ mili▫ā ṯin sofī▫ā rākẖaṇ ka▫o ḏarvār. ||1||
Sri Rag, First Guru. The Giver has given man intoxicating pill of falsehood. Having been intoxicated therewith he has forgotten death and makes merry for four days. The mortals, who are the nonusers of intoxicants, obtain truthfulness to keep them in God's Court.

True Love of the Lord, hates none but doesn’t allow either the creation or the Maya to hinder His union with the Origin, the Lord.

pk70 ji
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You have written so beautifully about love of the Creator and His Creation.

{The real lover of the Lord doesn’t see the Lord separate from His creation but his hunger for the union with the Lord is satisfied only when he/she abandons that part of him/her that hinders the union, also known as ego and influence of Maya. When that happens, loving His creation doesn’t become chain in the spiritual progress. If that love for the creation tries to chain the soul to it, the real devotees wouldn’t let it do it. As per Gurbani, the Lord Himself created His Creation and settled it in Maya. } (Quote respected pk70 Ji)
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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
Respected pk70 Ji

Thanx for starting this beautiful thread.

Please elaborate.(chain in the spiritual progress).

Regards
Bhul chuk lai maafi ji

Quote:

It is not offering where Guru asks you to give, it is your “attention” Guru wants. The “Self” that is influenced by Maya, Guru wants to mold it. If that is not given, what Guru can do?

ਕਬੀਰ ਸਾਚਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੈ ਜਉ ਸਿਖਾ ਮਹਿ ਚੂਕ ॥
कबीर साचा सतिगुरु किआ करै जउ सिखा महि चूक ॥
Kabīr sācẖā saṯgur ki▫ā karai ja▫o sikẖā mėh cẖūk.
Kabeer, what can the True Guru do, when His Sikhs are at fault?

ਅੰਧੇ ਏਕ ਨ ਲਾਗਈ ਜਿਉ ਬਾਂਸੁ ਬਜਾਈਐ ਫੂਕ ॥੧੫੮॥
अंधे एक न लागई जिउ बांसु बजाईऐ फूक ॥१५८॥
Anḏẖe ek na lāg▫ī ji▫o bāʼns bajā▫ī▫ai fūk. ||158||
The blind do not take in any of His Teachings; it is as useless as blowing into bamboo. ||158||

Ang 1372

Ang 1373

ਕਬੀਰ ਕੋਠੀ ਕਾਠ ਕੀ ਦਹ ਦਿਸਿ ਲਾਗੀ ਆਗਿ ॥
कबीर कोठी काठ की दह दिसि लागी आगि ॥
Kabīr koṯẖī kāṯẖ kī ḏah ḏis lāgī āg.
Kabeer, the wooden house is burning on all sides.

ਪੰਡਿਤ ਪੰਡਿਤ ਜਲਿ ਮੂਏ ਮੂਰਖ ਉਬਰੇ ਭਾਗਿ ॥੧੭੨॥
पंडित पंडित जलि मूए मूरख उबरे भागि ॥१७२॥
Pandiṯ pandiṯ jal mū▫e mūrakẖ ubre bẖāg. ||172||
The Pandits, the religious scholars, have been burnt to death, while the illiterate ones run to safety. ||172||

ਕਬੀਰ ਸੰਸਾ ਦੂਰਿ ਕਰੁ ਕਾਗਦ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਹਾਇ ॥
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कबीर संसा दूरि करु कागद देह बिहाइ ॥
Kabīr sansā ḏūr kar kāgaḏ ḏeh bihā▫e.
Kabeer, give up your skepticism; let your papers float away.

ਬਾਵਨ ਅਖਰ ਸੋਧਿ ਕੈ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਨੀ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥੧੭੩॥
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बावन अखर सोधि कै हरि चरनी चितु लाइ ॥१७३॥
Bāvan akẖar soḏẖ kai har cẖarnī cẖiṯ lā▫e. ||173||
Find the essence of the letters of the alphabet, and focus your consciousness on the Lord. ||173||


Is this an unlearning process, PK70 Ji, Aad Ji, Kiram Ji, Gurvinder Ji ?

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ਦਾਤਿ ਪਿਆਰੀ ਵਿਸਰਿਆ ਦਾਤਾਰਾ ॥
दाति पिआरी विसरिआ दातारा ॥
Ḏāṯ pi▫ārī visri▫ā ḏāṯārā.
He loves gifts, but he forgets the Giver.
Guru Arjan Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

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ਕਬੀਰ ਸਾਚਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਕਿਆ ਕਰੈ ਜਉ ਸਿਖਾ ਮਹਿ ਚੂਕ ॥
कबीर साचा सतिगुरु किआ करै जउ सिखा महि चूक ॥
Kabīr sācẖā saṯgur ki▫ā karai ja▫o sikẖā mėh cẖūk.
Kabeer, what can the True Guru do, when His Sikhs are at fault?
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ਅੰਧੇ ਏਕ ਨ ਲਾਗਈ ਜਿਉ ਬਾਂਸੁ ਬਜਾਈਐ ਫੂਕ ॥੧੫੮॥ (Ang 1372)
अंधे एक न लागई जिउ बांसु बजाईऐ फूक ॥१५८॥
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Anḏẖe ek na lāg▫ī ji▫o bāʼns bajā▫ī▫ai fūk. ||158||
The blind do not take in any of His Teachings; it is as useless as blowing into bamboo. ||158|| (Guru Vak Quoted By Namjap Ji)

Exactly namjap ji,
Thanks a lot for quoting it as it advocates a complete sincerity one should have towards the Guru

Gurvinder janu ji
Thanks for liking the thread. I shall do my best to elaborate the clause I used in support of many Guru Vakas.
Guru ji unlike other sectarian thinking, accepts His creation as a real one. Lets see that first Guru Vaak in this context
ਸਚੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਖੰਡ ਸਚੇ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੰਡ ॥
Sacẖe ṯere kẖand sacẖe barahmand.
True are Your worlds, True are Your solar Systems.
ਸਚੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਲੋਅ ਸਚੇ ਆਕਾਰ ॥ (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 463)
Sacẖe ṯere lo▫a sacẖe ākār.
True are Your realms, True is Your creation

Above Guru ji expresses that all His creation is actually a reality.
Now let’s see another Guru Vaak that states all is false
ਕੂੜੁਰਾਜਾਕੂੜੁ ਪਰਜਾ ਕੂੜੁ ਸਭੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੁ ॥(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 468)
Kūṛ rājā kūṛ parjā kūṛ sabẖ sansār.
False is the king, false are the subjects; false is the whole world. ||1||

Here His creation is called false in context of the eternity of the Lord; compared to Him, all is perishable, for more clarity, please read on
ਬਿਨੁ ਸਚੇ ਸਭਕੂੜੁ ਹੈ ਅੰਤੇ ਹੋਇ ਬਿਨਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 49)
Bin sacẖe sabẖ kūṛ hai anṯe ho▫e binās. ||1|| rahā▫o.
Without the True One, everything is false; in the end, all shall perish. ||1||Pause


So in this regard, only Truth is the Lord, rest is false as it is perishable unlike the Lord
Gurbani advocates family life and assures the followers to realize the Lord by living right in His created World
ਹਸੰਦਿਆਖੇਲੰਦਿਆ ਪੈਨੰਦਿਆ ਖਾਵੰਦਿਆ ਵਿਚੇ ਹੋਵੈ ਮੁਕਤਿ ॥੨॥(Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 522)
Hasanḏi▫ā kẖelanḏi▫ā painanḏi▫ā kẖāvanḏi▫ā vicẖe hovai mukaṯ. ||2||
While laughing, playing, dressing and eating, he is liberated. ||2||
So now question is how all this can be a chain. Lets go back to the clause “ chains in the spiritual progress” All that come into the way of uniting with the Lord, are chains, it can be a relation, deeds, desires/urges, ego , anger or deep attachment. While living in a society with so many relatives and friends, soul alone treads on the journey towards the Lord. All responsibilities, all the care and passion shown are natural; however, when for any reason (due to a relation, ego, anger, greed etc), soul falls for Maya influence, loses virtues, it is literally a chain in spiritual progress. Here is Guru ji pointing out all relations “chains” if they hinder souls progress towards uniting with the Lord. If because of them, soul doesn’t become aware of its relation with Lord and its purpose, certainly they are its chains.
ਬੰਧਨ ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ॥ ਬੰਧਨ ਸੁਤ ਕੰਨਿਆ ਅਰੁ ਨਾਰਿ ॥੨॥
Banḏẖan māṯ piṯā sansār. Banḏẖan suṯ kanniā ar nār. ||2||
Entanglements are mother, father and the world. Entanglement are
So in a net shell, as long as they act as a blockage to the spiritual progression, they are chains, if they detour from the spiritual goal, they are chains. True devotees never let them be chains.