Naam Simran and Failure

eropa234 ji

Thank you for confirming that the verse is not part of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj.

 
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Repetition is the essence of this life. Eating, breathing, sleeping and doing daily jobs are all repetitions. Simran and reading are are also the same.
But it is so for Gurus who have seen some advantages for us.

Much damage has been done to Sikhi by the advocators that we should not repeat the reading of Granth sahib or what would we attain if we do five banis on daily basis. [Maskeen ji]

I think repetition has helped me a lot in understanding what is bani.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/23257-naam-simran-and-failure.html
Had it for one or two readings I should not have made sense from bani.It is good to repeat the things till these are ingrained in us/our grey matter and doing path becomes enjoyable.

But we all have our preferences.No one should feel to stick to this opinion.We are all free and intelligent creatures.
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ismrq sws igrws pUrn ibsuAws ikau mnhu ibswrIAY jIau ] (80-14, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23257
I remember Him in meditation with every breath and morsel of food, with perfect faith. How could I forget Him from my mind?

ieku iqlu nhI ivsrY pRwn AwDwrw jip jip nwnk jIvqy ]3] (81-3, isrIrwgu, mÚ 5)
They do not forget, even for an instant, the Support of the breath of life. They live by constantly meditating on Him, O Nanak. ||3||

so hir sdw iDAweIAY iqsu ibnu Avru n koie ] (81-17, isrIrwgu, mÚ 4)
Meditate forever on that Lord. Without Him, there is no other at all.
hir kIrqnu gwvhu idnu rwqI sPl eyhw hY kwrI jIau ]3] (108-1, mwJ, mÚ 5)
So sing the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises, day and night. This is the most fruitful occupation. ||3||
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Sikh80 Ji,

A doctor cannot heal his patients. The doctor merely dresses the wound, but God heals it. A psychiatrist helps in removing the mental blocks in his patients, so that the healing principle may be released, restoring the patients' health.

Devine will never come, even if you offer all the treasures of the world

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Dear PK70 ji, I did not mean any disrespect to anyone. You posted a Gur ka Sabad- a word of knowledge, indeed it is a world of knowledge. One should see the same knowledge in all other quotes.

First of all, with all due respect eropa234 jio, please do not think that your comments were insulting. Also let’s not play games in the name self defense. My concern was, after going through an article which addressed some of the hindrances coming in away of successful simran, you could only comment” Wow a lot of quotes. Pad Pad Pothi Jug Mua Pandit Bhyo na Koi(quote eropa234 Ji) Sloka you quoted, if it is by Kabir ji( for me, only Kabir ji’s bani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Gurbani, the rest, as a Sikh, I am not sure if it is by Kabir ji’s hundred percent), why it is quoted? It doesn’t say a word about “prem” as you talk about in other post. What does it say here? It is referring only to a lot of quotes period. Who was reading and trying to be pundits? None. Quotes were used there to clarify the idea through Gurbani. So please move on, there is no need of new excuses or claims
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=23257
One should see the same knowledge in all other quotes. If the frog mind rights down everything the Bee sings and recites it at certain time of the day or at any time and all the time, I really do not believe he will ever realize the value of the lotus. Despite of his recitations he will die looking for value in the pond, then the lotus is no good to him, all his recitations will not protect him from dirt.(quote eropa234 Ji)
If the Frog was a good Student (Sikh) he only needs a few words from the Bee to see the lotus and its benifits but accoding to Kabir Ji even two and a half letters in the word "Prem" are enough for a dedicated student. The word prem contains the same knowledge contained in the quote above.( quote eropa 234 Ji)

Eropa 234 ji, in the Guru Vaak in which “frog” used metaphorically, I pointed out an idea about observing a lot of quotes instead of learning some thing from those quotes. Now you are throwing it back to me. Well let’s see if it applies to me? You say,” One should see the same knowledge in all other quotes” Well, what that quote proves in context of your comment? None, check it yourself, I have given it again in the above paragraph in green letters. You were just trying to justify that by studying too much will not make some one “Pandit” It was totally out of context.. Let me make clear another thing, at least about myself. When I discuss Gurbani, I accept quotes from Gurbani to negate ( if any one wants to)the point I try to make; for me, if some one quotes out side Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, I need it should be verified by the person who does such quotes. Word” prem” was not there as you quoted it first time( see it is given in green letters above), add to it, the word “prem” was discussed in the article, why it was not picked up by you? It was there. If you miss it, let me quote it here again, also let me ask you why a quote stressing on “prem” was not given by you there in the first place?
“ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਗਉੜੀ ॥ ਕਿਆ ਜਪੁ ਕਿਆ ਤਪੁ ਕਿਆ ਬ੍ਰਤ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ ਜਾ ਕੈ ਰਿਦੈ ਭਾਉਹੈਦੂਜਾ॥੧॥ Gauri Kabir Ji. What avails meditation, what penance and what fasting and worship to Him, in whose heart there is the love of another( Maya etc)? (quote from Naam Simran and Failure)

I have explained why I quoted Guru Vaak with Frog; I have no intention to continue this debate that has changed from "so many quotes” to “ learn from other quotes too” Thanks.

Hum!!! Do you suggest that Doctor is not acting at the behest and inspiration of GOD?
Incidentally, the topic of discussion is Naam Simran and failure. Let us carry on with the same 'Waheguru...;......