Q&A with Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowal

sunsingh · #10 (**permalink**) 14-Aug-2008, 23:01 PM

Here is the last part of discussions with sant jagjit singh ji..

questions:

- some people think when this jev get bedah mukht avastha or merge with
vahiguroo even then atma of this jev have some kind of paichaan?

- in gurbani there are bachans of how this sansar is mithiya but also
there are bachans of bhram eveywhere in this sansar.

- many sant bhramgyanis in past realse their body via smadhi, some
extreme pain or agony...can we distinguish them saying one had parlabdh
karam and another didnt had pralabdh karam?

-how does four khands related to avastha of this jev?

- concept of dasvand?

- Deep vichaar on haumai, it's relationship with mun (inc panj chor)
and atma, methods to reduce it etc...

- To do vichaar on Raagmala.
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- In japji sahib there is bachan of maharaj that there are countless
khaniya but sri dasam granth sahib talks about four types of khaaniya?

- vichar on ik ongkar?

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Message to Sikh youths

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vijaydeep Singh · #11 (**permalink**) 15-Aug-2008, 22:41 PM

Gurfateh

Quote:

Originally Posted by pk70

Sunsingh ji,
ONE QUESTION For Your revered Sant ji,
Kindly ask him as you are blessed to be close to him
Who was/is the love of Guru Nanak?
When one contemplates only at Guru Nanak, I see no difference between him/her or those who contemplate on other Devtas or Prophets. When one contemplates on HIM, one can see Guru Nanak too, Guru Nanak turned crazy( baora -Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 877)) for Him. That Nirgana Sroop worship is asential for Sikhs as per Gurbani. The state of mind where all difference of lightened ones and Him evaporates is learned through revering Guru ji through living his teachings( repeatedly teachings say" contemplate on His NAAM"), still His grace is vital, never forget that !

Non of our Guru told us to worship body or persinality of the Guru nor does Guru Granth Sahib Ji tell us to worship Guru Granth Sahib Ji.Akal is only God.And could not be tied with wills of man or text.

sunsingh · #12 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2008, 00:51 AM

Here are questions asked by this premi singh in BC:

- Is it a requirement to do simran with rasna (japping naam with tongue) at first stage?

- Diff. btw dhib dhrishti and dasam dwar? What happens when dasam dwar
opens?

- what is partakh darshan?

- what is naam dhan?

- how to reach stage of ajaapa jaap (when simran occurs automatically)?

- what is sukh nindra, samedhi? How to overcome obstacle of sukh nindra?

- what does it mean to be dead while still alive?

- how can we best absorb gurmat and put into practice?

- is it ok to do ardass to soul b/c soul is one with god?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22447

- what are seven stages of gian?

- is it ok to eat from sehajdhari sikhs, or only gursikhs ok?

- how can we avoid loss of naam kamai?

- vichaar on shabad "sant ki marag dharm ki pauri"?

- If some sort of praapti is not written for us in our karms, can we still obtain this praapti in this janam?

- Do we still need shastar vidya, as in modern times we have modern weaponry such as guns?

- Baba Attar Singh ji Mastauna did bhagti for one year without eating, how is this possible?

- Must we have bhramgian to be free from taking rebirth (jivanmukti) ?

- Did Baba Nand Singh ji really say that one gets greater Naam kamai when staying awake the whole night before pooranmashi doing Abhyaas?

- Do shaheeds get mukti?

- Are there such paaps that cannot be erased?

- How big a paap is suicide?

- If we do ardass for someone's rakhya, to help someone deal with illness etc., does it put the weight on our heads? Does it eat up our Naam kamai?

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I hope everyone enjoy listening to baba jagjit singh vichar on these questions, these audio files have no copyright, any premis who wishes to put them on their site, surely can. As Gurbani say- bhramgyani di drisht amrit barsi || similiarly these veechar is one form of rain of amrit reaches out to everyone with no dvaish.

Personally speaking for me it has been extreme pleasure talking to sant jagjit singh ji, their bachans surely calm my heart/mind from all this burning irkha/dvaish bhavna... it has been pure anandmangal...!
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sunsingh · #13 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2008, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vijaydeep Singh

Gurfateh

Non of our Guru told us to worship body or persinality of the Guru nor does Guru Granth Sahib Ji tell us to worship Guru Granth Sahib Ji.Akal is only God.And could not be tied with wills of man or text.

Nirgun worship is the highest form. However, like a child learning how to ride a bike using training wheels, sargun worship is sometimes a must for some people starting out on this path as nirgun worship is simply beyond them. nirgun worship should be the goal and mode for sikhs. According to Gurbani, there is no difference between God and Guru, therefore for people to not only see the Guru as divine and do sargun worship is only natural, although it is a temporary stage moving to a higher stage.

pk70 · #14 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2008, 11:43 AM

Nirgun worship is the highest form. However, like a child learning how to ride a bike using training wheels, sargun worship is sometimes a must for some people starting out on this path as nirgun worship is simply beyond them. nirgun worship should be the goal and mode for sikhs. According to Gurbani, there is no difference between God and Guru, therefore for people to not only see the Guru as divine and do sargun worship is only natural, although it is a temporary stage moving to a higher stage. ( quote sunsingh ji)

I am just wondering if Guru ji asks Sikhs to go for first Sargun Sroop, after some time, then go for Nirgan sroop? Our Guru Granth sahib ji starts with Nirgun Sroop, through out Jap Ji Sahib, Guru ji advises us to contemplate only on HIM through Guru, only longing for Him is advocated. Should we follow that or those Guru Shabad where due to enlightenment obtained by Guru ji with His grace, sargun Sroop Guru is addressed as of His part. Should we stop there ignoring HIM? I have never read so loud cry- prayer for Nirgun Sroop in any religious scripture including the ancient ones( Vedas etc). I checked them recently, like running in a cycle they come back to Sargun sroop only. It is only Sree Guru Granth Sahib ji that advocates only His worship, for this, Guru we take our solely support. Vijaydeep Singh seems pretty much right here as per Gurbani. Guru Seva and Guru pooja is living Guru's teachings strictly.

Astroboy · #15 (**permalink**) 16-Aug-2008, 23:30 PM

Nirgun niroop hai, sundar swaroop hai, bhupan ke bhoop hai, data maha daan hai,
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Praan ke devaiya, dhoodh poot ke devaiya

vijaydeep Singh · #16 (**permalink**) 17-Aug-2008, 14:51 PM

Gurfateh

One humble question from das.

As Gurmat is to worship formless as being in all form.He are purly khalsa who recogansie Nakashis ie purely God.Then why to emulate Hinduism in us ie by worshipping Guru's persionlity or say worshipping Guru Granth Sahib Ji,beholding Akal bounded by the text.Is is not OK for worshpper of formed one to revert to worship lord Rama or Lord Krishna.
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Did not Tenth Master said,"whoso ever call me God will be lake of hell".

Did not in Chaubees Avatar of Shri Dasham Granth Sahib has the fact that Akal puts blame to all avtaras and stay behind.Why not worship that one.
(that is not the Mahakal realted to god shiva as in Shiv Purana,we have Shiva taking an incarnation of Mahakal at ujjain.While over here in Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji,we have that on order of Akal Mahakal ,who is formless,never born,Vishnu takes the Avtar of Rudra/Shiva,this Shiv further takes some other incanrations.Mahakal is incarantion of this shiva and not mentioned in Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji but in Shiv Purana,term in Vammarg or Tantircs is Mahakal Bhairav with wife as Bhairavi).
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So kio Simro Nanaka Jame Te Mar Jaye.Eko Simaro nanaka Jo Jal Thal Reah Samai.(Sorry for spelling or verbal mistakes).

sunsingh · #17 (**permalink**) 18-Aug-2008, 01:30 AM

Gurbani in Guru Granth Sahib ji = Guru = God. To recognize this does not in any way limit worship or understanding of God to sargun only. God is both nirgun and sargun. Nowhere in Gurbani does it say that worship of the sargun aspect of waheguru is wrong. Nirgun is the highest and that is what is emphasized. However, it is beyond some people's buddhi to understand nirgun and for them it is perfectly acceptable to start out with sargun.

sunsingh · #18 (**permalink**) 18-Aug-2008, 08:45 AM

please provide even the slightest shred of proof from Gurbani backing up your assertion. Gurbani states that God exists in sargun as well as nirgun, see japji sahib for the examples, or numerous other shabads. Nowhere is sargun remembrance considered wrong.
Baba Jagjit Singh ji, a student of bhramgyani Baba Jawala Singh ji, after stuying Gurmat his whole life certainly understands this better than people who criticise but are unable to provide statements from Gurbani to back themselves up.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=22447

Naturally there will be many statements in Gurbani supporting nirgun pooja, as this is superior and Guru's preferred way, nowhere in the katha is this contradicted, in fact it is stated as well. But support for nirgun pooja does not equal criticism of sargun. God exists in both.