A Question to naam abhiyassis

Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh

A quick question

According to gurbani
1. In the stomach of Women , a child is performing Naam simran, and hence he is already connected to God.
3. Mind become dead after our death, coz our brain become dead.
4. we do naam simran in this life to emerge with God and to Kill our Mind (Leave Man Mat ) / clean our mind

Now if Mind will dies when we gonna die, so why we Perform Naam simran in before death???

Thanks
stupidjassi

Stupidjassi Qiote ..eah you are right, Physical Death is not same as Death while Naam simran. But then another question is
-> How mind survive Physical Death of brain ?? ( When there is no brain)
I know my question may be too stupid, but i`m just wondering coz i never got the answer. Gaini sant singh maskeen use to say, " If mind dies when body dies then there is no use of simran coz, you get in reiencration because of MIND. Now when mind dies (Though naam simran or anything) You`ll never get reincreated again coz you have no mind now"
Please enlight me


Actually your question is loaded with curiosity based on reason. As per anatomy of the body, mind doesn’t exist at all. There are different compartments in brains that handle reasoning, feelings, control remains in brain depending over force of feelings or reasoning. There is another thing called soul, Gurbani addresses to soul by talking about its journey from one body to another and its separation from the creator. Nam Simran is done for the well being of the soul. In spiritual world, body is just like attire with extra amenities. According that, brain is ********d either for worldly mortal things which just stay here after death or the bodily urges, only soul faces the Creator. For that purpose Nam simran is very essential, who refuse all this, they fail to experience what Blessed ones did.

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gux gwvw idnu rwiq nwnk cwau eyhu || gun gaavaa dhin raath naanak chaao eaehu ||To sing Your Glorious Praises day and night - O Nanak, this is my heart-felt desire.

ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੧ ॥
Aasaa, First Mehl:

ਮਨੁ ਮੈਗਲੁ ਸਾਕਤੁ ਦੇਵਾਨਾ ॥
The mind of the faithless cynic is like a crazy elephant.

ਬਨ ਖੰਡਿ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹਿ ਹੈਰਾਨਾ ॥
It wanders around the forest, distracted by attachment to Maya.

ਇਤ ਉਤ ਜਾਹਿ ਕਾਲ ਕੇ ਚਾਪੇ ॥
It goes here and there, hounded by death.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਖੋਜਿ ਲਹੈ ਘਰੁ ਆਪੇ ॥੧॥
The Gurmukh seeks, and finds his own home. ||1||

ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੈ ਮਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਠਉਰਾ ॥
Without the Word of the Guru's Shabad, the mind finds no place of rest.

ਸਿਮਰਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਤਿ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਅਵਰ ਤਿਆਗਹੁ ਹਉਮੈ ਕਉਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Remember in meditation the Lord's Name, the most pure and sublime; renounce your bitter egotism. ||1||Pause||

ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਮੁਗਧੁ ਕਹਹੁ ਕਿਉ ਰਹਸੀ ॥
Tell me, how can this stupid mind be rescued?

ਬਿਨੁ ਸਮਝੇ ਜਮ ਕਾ ਦੁਖੁ ਸਹਸੀ ॥
Without understanding, it shall suffer the pains of death.

ਆਪੇ ਬਖਸੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਲੈ ॥
The Lord Himself forgives us, and unites us with the True Guru.

ਕਾਲੁ ਕੰਟਕੁ ਮਾਰੇ ਸਚੁ ਪੇਲੈ ॥੨॥
The True Lord conquers and overcomes the tortures of death. ||2||

ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਕਰਮਾ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਧਰਮਾ ॥
This mind commits its deeds of karma, and this mind follows the Dharma.

ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਪੰਚ ਤਤੁ ਤੇ ਜਨਮਾ ॥
This mind is born of the five elements.

ਸਾਕਤੁ ਲੋਭੀ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਮੂੜਾ ॥
This foolish mind is *******ed and greedy.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪੈ ਮਨੁ ਰੂੜਾ ॥੩॥
Chanting the Naam, the mind of the Gurmukh becomes beautiful. ||3||

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਮਨੁ ਅਸਥਾਨੇ ਸੋਈ ॥
The mind of the Gurmukh finds the Lord's home.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣਿ ਸੋਝੀ ਹੋਈ ॥
The Gurmukh comes to know the three worlds.

ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਜੋਗੀ ਭੋਗੀ ਤਪੁ ਤਾਪੈ ॥
This mind is a Yogi, an enjoyer, a practicer of austerities.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਚੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੈ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਆਪੈ ॥੪॥
The Gurmukh understands the Lord God Himself. ||4||

ਮਨੁ ਬੈਰਾਗੀ ਹਉਮੈ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥
This mind is a detached renunciate, forsaking egotism.

ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਮਨਸਾ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਲਾਗੀ ॥
Desire and duality afflict each and every heart.

ਰਾਮ ਰਸਾਇਣੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਚਾਖੈ ॥
The Gurmukh drinks in the Lord's sublime essence;

ਦਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਮਹਲੀ ਹਰਿ ਪਤਿ ਰਾਖੈ ॥੫॥
at His Door, in the Mansion of the Lord's Presence, He preserves his honor. ||5||

ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਸੂਰ ਸੰਗ੍ਰਾਮਿ ॥
This mind is the king, the hero of cosmic battles.

ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਾਮਿ ॥
The mind of the Gurmukh becomes fearless through the Naam.

ਮਾਰੇ ਪੰਚ ਅਪੁਨੈ ਵਸਿ ਕੀਏ ॥
Overpowering and subduing the five passions,

ਹਉਮੈ ਗ੍ਰਾਸਿ ਇਕਤੁ ਥਾਇ ਕੀਏ ॥੬॥
holding ego in its grip, it confines them to one place. ||6||

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਰਾਗ ਸੁਆਦ ਅਨ ਤਿਆਗੇ ॥
The Gurmukh renounces other songs and tastes.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਭਗਤੀ ਜਾਗੇ ॥
The mind of the Gurmukh is awakened to devotion.

ਅਨਹਦ ਸੁਣਿ ਮਾਨਿਆ ਸਬਦੁ ਵੀਚਾਰੀ ॥
Hearing the unstruck music of the sound current, this mind contemplates the Shabad, and accepts it.

ਆਤਮੁ ਚੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹਿ ਭਏ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰੀ ॥੭॥
Understanding itself, this soul becomes attuned to the Formless Lord. ||7||

ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਨਿਰਮਲੁ ਦਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਸੋਈ ॥
This mind becomes immaculately pure, in the Court and the Home of the Lord.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਭਗਤਿ ਭਾਉ ਧੁਨਿ ਹੋਈ ॥
The Gurmukh shows his love through loving devotional worship.

ਅਹਿਨਿਸਿ ਹਰਿ ਜਸੁ ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
Night and day, by Guru's Grace, sing the Lord's Praises.

ਘਟਿ ਘਟਿ ਸੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਆਦਿ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ॥੮॥
God dwells in each and every heart, since the very beginning of time, and throughout the ages. ||8||

ਰਾਮ ਰਸਾਇਣਿ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਤਾ ॥
This mind is intoxicated with the sublime essence of the Lord;

ਸਰਬ ਰਸਾਇਣੁ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਾਤਾ ॥
The Gurmukh realizes the essence of totality.

ਭਗਤਿ ਹੇਤੁ ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣ ਨਿਵਾਸਾ ॥
For the sake of devotional worship, he dwells at the Guru's Feet.

ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਕੇ ਦਾਸਨਿ ਦਾਸਾ ॥੯॥੮॥
Nanak is the humble servant of the slave of the Lord's slaves. ||9||8||


With all the regards to all those who have participated in this thread , It is to state that mind has been stated to be made up of five elements. It is ,therefore, subject to death as well. I had an inkling of this though I was not sure. A search has shown that it is also as per the bani the way I have interpreted , may be there is some other meaning in the wider context.

Though the above deals exhaustively with mind yet it states clearly that mind is of five basic elements. The above is taken from ang 415 of SGGS.
Mind is also subject to death, hence it should exist and be within the cycle of life and death and be present within us ;It may be a literal way of interpreting things. It should get rest only when we find the liberation or attain the state of merger.it is a logical flow.

I am subject to correction, of course. It is also believed that the discussion is of academic interest.


It would be a privilege to be guided.

Panch tatva= Five Basic elements

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सुआन पूछ जिउ भइओ न सूधउ बहुतु जतनु मै कीनउ ॥
Su*ān pūcẖẖ ji*o bẖa*i*o na sūḏẖa*o bahuṯ jaṯan mai kīn*o.
Like a dog's tail, which will never straighten out, the mind will not change, no matter how many things are tried.
Guru Teg Bahadur - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

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One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:
People beg for pleasure, but pain comes instead.

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Thanks Everyone to take part in this Dicussion and Thanks Sikh80 to bring out this wonderful shabad which tells us a lot of thing.
however i was thinking about this today in Bus. What i made of sense of all the discussion is that:

1. There is a brain which Contain Consciousness .
2. Brain Dies when person die and brain Born with when person born.
3. Mind is mere Consciousness
4. When we Die we take some Consciousness with us , which might travel with our soul when we get reiencrated.
5. In the Next reincarnation , Our Consciousness from past Live(s) is still with us.
a) Then our brain develope with time (From childhood )
b) Our brain need Consciousness , so it attracts Consciousness from our Higher self, the Consciousness we brought from past lives .
( This is the reason why people find big change in their life in their teenage,because before teenage our mind was not so much developed to attract enought Consciousness from past life, It was a fresh mind , but now in age 15-21, we are not only getting new experiences but also Consciousness from our past life. So get moulded according to that.
In some people their Consciousness from past life put effect in their early childhood . They start questioning the existance of universe/humanity from early age,because their Consciousness from past life was this.

In another case if we become animal /birds/insect we`ll never able to attract our Consciousness from our past life, because our brain is not so much developed .


So this is just one of the exaplaination of the Mind-Soul problem. I am not 100% sure about this. Its just what i think , and i wanted to share with you guys..

Thanks
stupidjassi