ਊਚ ਅਪਾਰ ਬੇਅੰਤ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਕਉਣੁ ਜਾਣੈ ਗੁਣ ਤੇਰੇ ॥
ऊच अपार बेअंत सुआमी कउणु जाणै गुण तेरे ॥
Ūcẖ apār bė*anṯ su*āmī ka*uṇ jāṇai guṇ ṯėrė.
O my lofty, incomparable and infinite Lord and Master, who can know Your Glorious Virtues?
ਗਾਵਤੇ ਉਧਰਹਿ ਸੁਣਤੇ ਉਧਰਹਿ ਬਿਨਸਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਘਨੇਰੇ ॥
गावते उधरहि सुणते उधरहि बिनसहि पाप घनेरे ॥
Gāvṯė uḏẖrahi suṇṯė uḏẖrahi binsahi pāp gẖanėrė.
Those who sing them are saved, and those who listen to them are saved; all their sins are erased.
ਪਸੂ ਪਰੇਤ ਮੁਗਧ ਕਉ ਤਾਰੇ ਪਾਹਨ ਪਾਰਿ ਉਤਾਰੈ ॥
पसू परेत मुगध कउ तारे पाहन पारि उतारै ॥
Pasū parėṯ mugaḏẖ ka*o ṯārė pāhan pār uṯārai.
You save the beasts, demons and fools, and even stones are carried across.
ਨਾਨਕ ਦਾਸ ਤੇਰੀ ਸਰਣਾਈ ਸਦਾ ਸਦਾ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੈ ॥੪॥੧॥੪॥
नानक दास तेरी सरणाई सदा सदा बलिहारै ॥४॥१॥४॥
Nānak ḏās ṯėrī sarṇā*ī saḏā saḏā balihārai. ||4||1||4||
Slave Nanak seeks Your Sanctuary; he is forever and ever a sacrifice to You. ||4||1||4||

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PK70 Ji..whay we dont miss HIM ?
imho we only "miss" one who we have forgotten ?? If He is there all the time..where got time to miss ?? my formula..remember (by not forgetting) all the time..not easy..bt very worthwhile...difficult..but well worth the effort..

Gyani jarnail Singh

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Whether you are a small time entrepreneur, or the CEO of a large corporation, you cannot escape the daily challenges of business.
You may be equipped with adequate resources, but without determination and drive you will not be able to take on new challenges.

pk70, how can we miss someone who is always with us?
If someone we love and care is always with us, I think, the love is nothing but glowing, and blossoming every single moment.

If one ever feel any guilt at all then it must be that the beloved was unconsiously forgotten for a moment, if not...one must have done something displeasing to the beloved.

AAD jio,
Gurfateh.

I have been with this thread almost from day one..enjoying it immensely....forced to be a "spectator" merely because the game of shabd squash between you and pk7o and the others was going on so fast and furious....simply keeping my eye on the ball was difficult (although immensely enjoyable as i have just said it but have to repeat !!)..you were all playing like Pros...
So dont be surprised....we are still there watching..reading..vicharring and learning..THANKS a MILLION.
Regards
Gyani jarnail Singh

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Giani ji

Spectator no more! You thoughts always take us up several more steps on the ladder. No question about that.

We are playing squash when we should be playing cricket perhaps.

Your words are encouraging and we will continue on the thread. It is always good to hear from you.

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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.

Giani Jarnail singh “PK70 Ji..whay we dont miss HIM ?
imho we only "miss" one who we have forgotten ?? If He is there all the time..where got time to miss ?? my formula..remember (by not forgetting) all the time..not easy..bt very worthwhile...difficult..but well worth the effort..
Lucy ahmed” pk70, how can we miss someone who is always with us?
If someone we love and care is always with us, I think, the love is nothing but glowing, and blossoming every single moment.”


Giani Jarnail Singh Ji and Lucy Ahmed, pretty good views and enjoyable to read, with all due respect, you have no inkling what Guru says in the Shabad I quoted that inspired me to understand “missing”. Remembering, feeling close is very different than be in love with Him. Such love changes our outward behavior, making it very strange to others who observe us. Why I am saying this because “ koyee aakhe bhootna koyee kahe betala…” shabad describes picturesque situation Guru Nanak experienced. Did any of you have that experience? I didn’t. Were you ever laughed at because your attention was in His thoughts? I doubt. Did some one said like this to you or me? No. Words don’t bring experience, feelings like that do not surge with mere words unless undivided mind is set on it. This idea is supported by Guruji” Sach Karni De Paeeai DAR GHAR MEHL Pyaar” Sri Raag Mehla 1 (SGGS 18) In essence, it is the action/deeds which help to realize HIM”

Going crazy for Him, that is missing Him. Guru ji also says “ He is within us”, why was he(Guruji) crazy for Him by his own words when HE was within him E was within him HHH? That’s the point to understand and Guru ji’s love and his missing for Him. Why many shabadas are there on death? Why crying on death is ridiculed by Guru ji? As we say He is with us, why to cry when some one who is very dear to us, goes(dies) to Him? It is not easy to put in words, actually its super high experience but you just put in a few lame words that he is with us. Such statements have nothing to do with that experience of missing Him while being crazy for Him. Guru ji missed Him as he loved Him and he shared that experience with his followers, why his followers just stuck with this sentence” He is with us always”? And, say we remember Him always. Where is the pain of separation expressed in the Shabad in us? Did you feel like that ever? I didn’t, that is why I am sharing with you the plight of my heart. Guru ji keeps describing actually who is “Bourana” in His love, and here are we who just feel happy by saying simply” He is with us”. There is another strong word used by Guru ji” rang ratte” totally lost in Him” Only when you live that feeling of Him within, you will see how your outward behavior is changed exceedingly, and you will hear those kinds of comments (bhootna, betala)from people. If you are blended among them (I am also included in your category), why would you o and I get those comments? No chance. In reality we are starving for good compliments, praise or something like that. Something if said unlikable, we go down emotionally and our behavior gets changed. Did some one said “ bourana” to you and me? No is my answer. You will find your own statements have no bearing when in this very context Guru ji answers these questions in detail “why we don’t miss Him,”” how can we in reality go close to Him, how to find Him within” “ why cannot we see Him even when He is within and what are obstacles in our way.” Here is the Guru Shabad please enjoy and try to understand how to go to that high elevation Guru ji wants us to go
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rwmklI mhlw 1 ] ijqu dir vsih kvnu dru khIAY drw BIqir dru kvnu lhY ] ijsu dr kwrix iPrw audwsI so dru koeI Awie khY ]1] ikn ibiD swgru qrIAY ] jIviqAw nh mrIAY ]1] rhwau ]
duKu drvwjw rohu rKvwlw Awsw AMdysw duie pt jVy ] mwieAw jlu KweI pwxI Gru bwiDAw sq kY Awsix purKu rhY ]2] ikMqy nwmw AMqu n jwixAw qum sir nwhI Avru hry ] aUcw nhI khxw mn mih rhxw Awpy jwxY Awip kry ]3] jb Awsw AMdysw qb hI ikau kir eyku khY ] Awsw BIqir rhY inrwsw qau nwnk eyku imlY ]4] ien ibiD swgru qrIAY ] jIviqAw ieau mrIAY ]1] rhwau dUjw ]3] {pMnw 877
( In essence: Where is that place where You live, O Lord? What is that place called? Among all those places which is that secret one where you live, Where is that place I wander sadly in longing. Is there any one who can tell me about that.. || 1 || How can I cross over the world-ocean? It is not possible to die while living. ||)
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Above are questions, and below are answers given in detail

In essence:“There is a door of pain to that place , and anger is the guard at it; hope and anxiety work like the two shutters to that. The moat around it is filled with Maya water-attraction as an obstacle; in this moat He resides in natural state of Truth. || 2 || O Lord, You have so many Names, I do not know the limit. One thing is sure that there is no other one equal to You. No need to say loudly about His qualities, it is better to say tuned to Him in mind because The Lord Himself knows and acts. || 3 || As long as there is hope and anxiety, how can anyone praise only the One Lord? If one in the midst of hope, remains indifferent to hope; then, Nanak says, one shall meet the One Lord. || 4 || This is the way to cross over the world-ocean and this is the way to remain dead while being alive. || 1 || Second Pause “||
Thanks.

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Quote of pk70 ji

In essence:“There is a door of pain to that place , and anger is the guard at it; hope and anxiety work like the two shutters to that. The moat around it is filled with Maya water-attraction as an obstacle; in this moat He resides in natural state of Truth. || 2 || O Lord, You have so many Names, I do not know the limit. One thing is sure that there is no other one equal to You. No need to say loudly about His qualities, it is better to say tuned to Him in mind because The Lord Himself knows and acts. || 3 || As long as there is hope and anxiety, how can anyone praise only the One Lord? If one in the midst of hope, remains indifferent to hope; then, Nanak says, one shall meet the One Lord. || 4 || This is the way to cross over the world-ocean and this is the way to remain dead while being alive. || 1 || Second Pause “||

One thing is sure that there is no other one equal to You. No need to say loudly about His qualities, it is better to say tuned to Him in mind because The Lord Himself knows and acts.
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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.

Returning to the shabad of Guru Ram Das in Post 1. The next line to explore...


Guru Ram Das's son, Guru Arjan Dev, again answers in raag Maagh, explaining how it feels to love the Beloved and how we act in our Love for Him.

At first Guru Arjan speaks directly to the Piaaraa -- he says Listen Beloved of my mind. Then he tells the Beloved what is on his mind. I belong to You. May I never forget You. I am a sacrifice to You. You are the support of my life and I come to seek shelter in Your Sanctuary.

Then Guru Arjan speaks to us and tells us we are fortunate if we mediate upon Him. This is by His Grace only. This immaculate name is the treasure. He is the Banker. He keeps us safe, keeps the treasure safe for us. This love is something to celebrate. Guru says, I have found the Lord, Har, Har.

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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.

ਆਠ ਪਹਰ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਇਆ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥
aath pehar gun gaaeiaa jeeo ||3||
Twenty-four hours a day, I sing the Glories of God. ||3||

aad0002 Ji

You will find many Guru Vaak conveying the same message as it is done in the above you quoted. Or like" aath pehr tujhe dhiaaee" same message. I ponder a lot about it. It is just not singing HIS praises with the tongue, as I feel. It is like living in His memory; as we drive car, numerous times we get lost in thoughts, conditioning of our body drives for us safely. It is just very close to that. It can happen only when love for HIM stays in high gravity, as mentioned by Guru ji "koyee aakhe bhootna.." shabad. Only then fight with these fives can end in victory. Not with force but naturally. Love flows naturally. Still we are vulnerable to fall but His memory( infused by love for Him) will check on our anger and other four.

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