Interpretations Of Gurbani Differ

COMPARISON OF THE FIVE COMPLETE TRANSLATIONS OF THE SIRI GURU GRANT'H SAHIB

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no offense intended...

but why do Sikhs need to learn to interpret gurbani from a hindu baba who spent his life accumulating fancy cars and money and women as trophys?

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is it safe to assume that your words are directed at my posts? as i have repeated, i'm very new and not as knowledgeable as you in this, but please bear with me.

most of us simply cannot become brahmgyani the moment we open Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji. it takes time to learn and grow. just as with any knowledge or understanding, it takes time, practice, a desire to learn. please do not assume that because it takes fools like me time to understand the complexities of Gurbani that it is in any way related to worshipping anything other than Akal Purakh. i recite Mool Mantar hundreds of times in a day. there is only one God. i know that, we all know that. our stage of spiritual development has nothing to do with our faith or belief in God.

i appologize if i have misunderstood your post, but please do not mistake the fact that some of us are new learners with those who do not understand the singular nature of God.

and in the future, please feel free to address me directly rather than in round about ways in unrelated topics.

fateh!

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Jasleen ji

With all due respect to other perspectives, there will be very few people in your life time, my life time, who will be Brahmagyani -- ever. This is not a criticism of what you are saying. It is in support of your idea, that we are all moving along a path to deeper understanding. Some faster than others. Some more sophisticated than others. Some better at words than others. I think you have the right idea.

There has been an on-going discussion of whether Sri Guru Granth Sahib is Guru in the big sense. I have been thinking on my own about the different ways many of the participants in this conversation understand the question and how they arrive at an answer. One piece that is missing from this conversation, on all the threads, maybe Ekmusafirji has come closest to talking about it, is that there is a layer of mysticism in making connections between Guruji and God. This is only grasped in silence and by sudden awakening and intuition.

I wonder if it can be shared with words?

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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.

i agree with this... but i think it's important to remember that we all have the potential to become brahmgyani... though as you say, most of us will not reach it in this lifetime.

i agree, there is a spiritual transformation that takes place... mystical is a good word for it. my husband describes it as being a "live wire", meaning one is sort of "plugged in" directly to the ultimate. think of the RED PHONE in old movies, the line directly to the big boss.
they are aware of things the rest of us cannot comprehend. they have reached the stage where "sabh gobind hai" is more than mere words, but they literally see God in everything.

i think a big part of beginning this transformation is to stop understanding gurbani with our minds, and start feeling it in our hearts. someone was talking about crying when reading gurbani.... i think this is the first step on that path. we fight it with our minds when we should be embracing it in our hearts.

hope this makes some kind of sense, it's just kind of flowing out...

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ਸਰਮ ਖੰਡ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਰੂਪੁ ॥
सरम खंड की बाणी रूपु ॥
Saram kẖand kī baṇī rūp.
In the realm of humility, the Word is Beauty.

ਤਿਥੈ ਘਾੜਤਿ ਘੜੀਐ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਅਨੂਪੁ ॥
तिथै घाड़ति घड़ीऐ बहुतु अनूपु ॥
Ŧithai gẖāṛaṯ gẖaṛī­ai bahuṯ anūp.
Forms of incomparable beauty are fashioned there.

ਤਾ ਕੀਆ ਗਲਾ ਕਥੀਆ ਨਾ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
ता कीआ गला कथीआ ना जाहि ॥
Ŧā kī­ā galā kathī­ā nā jāhi.
These things cannot be described.

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਪਿਛੈ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ ॥
जे को कहै पिछै पछुताइ ॥
Jė ko kahai picẖẖai pacẖẖuṯā­ė.
One who tries to speak of these shall regret the attempt.

ਤਿਥੈ ਘੜੀਐ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਮਤਿ ਮਨਿ ਬੁਧਿ ॥
तिथै घड़ीऐ सुरति मति मनि बुधि ॥
Ŧithai gẖaṛī­ai suraṯ maṯ man buḏẖ.
The intuitive consciousness, intellect and understanding of the mind are shaped there.

ਤਿਥੈ ਘੜੀਐ ਸੁਰਾ ਸਿਧਾ ਕੀ ਸੁਧਿ ॥੩੬॥
तिथै घड़ीऐ सुरा सिधा की सुधि ॥३६॥
Ŧithai gẖaṛī­ai surā siḏẖā kī suḏẖ. ||36||
The consciousness of the spiritual warriors and the Siddhas, the beings of spiritual perfection, are shaped there. ||36||


Pray for Truth and Saysatsriakaal.
Dear Sadh Sangat Ji,

I need further explanation on this. Please assist.

In the realm of humility, the Word is Beauty.

What kind of humility is required to witness beauty of the Word.

Forms of incomparable beauty are fashioned there.

Where is 'there' ?

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Whether you are a small time entrepreneur, or the CEO of a large corporation, you cannot escape the daily challenges of business.
You may be equipped with adequate resources, but without determination and drive you will not be able to take on new challenges.

Jasleen_kKaaur ji

I just cleared my position in context of meditation, it doesnt mean you are wrong or I am right. There is another thing. Dont feel ever that being a new to it, you cannot be better than those who claim to be knowledheable.
Your point actually helped me to make my stand more clear, I thank you for that.

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Jasleen ji

You said

i think a big part of beginning this transformation is to stop understanding gurbani with our minds, and start feeling it in our hearts. someone was talking about crying when reading gurbani.... i think this is the first step on that path. we fight it with our minds when we should be embracing it in our hearts.

I wholeheartedly agree.

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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.

Nam Jap ji

Also mysterious

ਜੇ ਕੋ ਕਹੈ ਪਿਛੈ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ ॥
Jė ko kahai picẖẖai pacẖẖuṯā*ė.
One who tries to speak of these shall regret the attempt.

It is almost as if these 4 lines are like the Grecian Urn -- which remains silent as we try to unlock the secret of her story.

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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.