18-Feb-2008, 10:56 AM
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18-Feb-2008, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi  Aad ji,
I was under the impression that the cut/paste work that is put in the forum is well understood by the poster. It appears not. What surprises me is that we have 1430 pages of wisdom given to us by Our Gurus yet the Sikh is still looking out for Spiritual Wisdom to drop from the sky. The only answer to this that one is not prepared to understand what is being said by our Gurus and one is happy killing a fly on top of another dead one. I refer here to the circulation of mistranslations being cut and pasted. Please do not make fun of Gurbani.
Spiritual knowledge is The Law of the Divine. It lies within the following three concepts bestowed on us by Guru Nanak Dev ji.
Naam Japo (Meditate on the Naam)
Wand Shako (Share your bounty with the less fortunate)
Dharam di kirat Karo. (Righteous Living)
************(Do not attempt to run before you can walk) Learn and deeply Understand your Japji Sahib first.
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Ekmusafir Ji,
Can you expand your understanding for many who are new to Sikhism on the practical application of Naam Japo (Meditate on the Naam)
Wand Shako (Share your bounty with the less fortunate) Dharam di kirat Karo. (Righteous Living) I will be grateful. You may want to expand on the 'drop from the sky' phrase too. See, Ek Ji - everybody has an idea about Meditation, Righteous Living and Sharing the bounty but why is it that we are still doubtful about our lives ?
Why is it that we are 'assuring ourselves' by picking shabads from this page and that page of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ?  |
18-Feb-2008, 12:14 PM
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NamJap ji, good questions.
Perhaps, repeating the words of Shabad of the Guru, is a problem for some. Anybody's guess. There are some very interesting thoughts on Ang 902. Some that answer your questions. Here is just one.
ਜੇ ਕੋ ਨਾਉ ਲਏ ਬਦਨਾਵੀ ਕਲਿ ਕੇ ਲਖਣ ਏਈ ॥੩॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/19875-need-of-true-guru.html
jae ko naao leae badhanaavee kal kae lakhan eaeee ||3||
If someone chants the Lord's Name, he is scorned. These are the signs of Kali Yuga. ||3||
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19875
What was it that so saddened Guruji on this page?
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18-Feb-2008, 12:40 PM
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Aad Ji,
Actually, there are stages of unfoldment one goes through. The 4 LavaN in Raag Suhee are the guidelines of this unfoldment. One step follows another. For example - in 1st Laav it already mentions all 3 (Naam Japo, Honest Living, Compassionate Heart, etc) Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19875
Second stage reveals the Anhad Shabad.
But there is a 3rd and 4th stage. If Bani refers to Anhad shabad, then it is not the end of the journey.
It would be good to discuss all 4 lavaaN within this topic, instead of separating the topics. This can be a good satsang if we stop calling each other names and stick to the discussion. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19875
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18-Feb-2008, 13:18 PM
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I hope you are right. |
18-Feb-2008, 14:06 PM
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Aad Ji,
The link you're giving rightly puts it ( just before the 3rd LaaV) :- Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19875 Step-by-step, the Gurbani is helping and guiding the Soul-bride to her Spiritual Destination — Attainment of Shabad-Surti which is same as God-Consciousness, Divine-Consciousness, Cosmic-Consciousness, and so forth. She is two steps closer to meeting her Absolute Groom! |
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Originally Posted by Sardara123 Bhen I am not a bhenji, I am a man. | sorry, i'm not very smart.  |
18-Feb-2008, 16:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi Aad ji,
I was under the impression that the cut/paste work that is put in the forum is well understood by the poster. It appears not. What surprises me is that we have 1430 pages of wisdom given to us by Our Gurus yet the Sikh is still looking out for Spiritual Wisdom to drop from the sky. The only answer to this that one is not prepared to understand what is being said by our Gurus and one is happy killing a fly on top of another dead one. I refer here to the circulation of mistranslations being cut and pasted. Please do not make fun of Gurbani.
AmberDhara and Sardara ji,
It seems you are waiting for the arrival of another Guru? Perhaps I am talking to the ones who are still waiting in the queue to be personally blessed.
A fish whilst living in water says it is thirsty. I burst out in laughter – Bhagat Kabeer ji. Such is the plight of the Sikh today. It appears the Sikh is still waiting for the Guru to come and bless him with knowledge. ********** It is already here if one is a true seeker/a customer of merit, he will find it.
Spiritual knowledge is The Law of the Divine. It lies within the following three concepts bestowed on us by Guru Nanak Dev ji.
Naam Japo (Meditate on the Naam)
Wand Shako (Share your bounty with the less fortunate)
Dharam di kirat Karo. (Righteous Living)
************(Do not attempt to run before you can walk) Learn and deeply Understand your Japji Sahib first.
Ekmusafir_ajnabi |
Ekmusafir Ji,
Guru is Gurbani, and it is BrahmVichaar. If Guru cant make you understand this then this is not others fault. You can spend years and years to judge others, and denounce their understanding and their way of interpretation, that's not going to help you to prove that you know any better.
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