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| | | | | Re: Why Did He Create His Creation? When thinking of His creation, what comes easily to mind is the image of Kartar Purakh(u) Akaal, Hari, Waheguruji, the creative, supportive, nourishing, destroying and transforming Lord making the Universe, the realms, the planets, the earth, and all living things. We think of this in the form of a great epic event. What may come to mind more slowly as a reaization is that He is always creating and transforming even as we read and write together here. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/19817-why-did-he-create-his-creation.html ਮਾਝ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
maajh mehalaa 5 ||
Maajh, Fifth Mehl: ਵਿਸਰੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਏਵਡ ਦਾਤੇ ॥
visar naahee eaevadd dhaathae ||
I shall never forget You-You are such a Great Giver!
ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਭਗਤਨ ਸੰਗਿ ਰਾਤੇ ॥
kar kirapaa bhagathan sang raathae ||
Please grant Your Grace, and imbue me with the love of devotional worship. ਦਿਨਸੁ ਰੈਣਿ ਜਿਉ ਤੁਧੁ ਧਿਆਈ ਏਹੁ ਦਾਨੁ ਮੋਹਿ ਕਰਣਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥
dhinas rain jio thudhh dhhiaaee eaehu dhaan mohi karanaa jeeo ||1||
If it pleases You, let me meditate on You day and night; please, grant me this gift! ||1|| ਮਾਟੀ ਅੰਧੀ ਸੁਰਤਿ ਸਮਾਈ ॥
maattee andhhee surath samaaee ||
Into this blind clay, You have infused awareness. ਸਭ ਕਿਛੁ ਦੀਆ ਭਲੀਆ ਜਾਈ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817
sabh kishh dheeaa bhaleeaa jaaee ||
Everything, everywhere which You have given is good. ਅਨਦ ਬਿਨੋਦ ਚੋਜ ਤਮਾਸੇ ਤੁਧੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋ ਹੋਣਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੨॥
anadh binodh choj thamaasae thudhh bhaavai so honaa jeeo ||2||
Bliss, joyful celebrations, wondrous plays and entertainment-whatever pleases You,
comes to pass. ||2|| ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਦਿਤਾ ਸਭੁ ਕਿਛੁ ਲੈਣਾ ॥
jis dhaa dhithaa sabh kishh lainaa ||
Everything we receive is a gift from Him ਛਤੀਹ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਭੋਜਨੁ ਖਾਣਾ ॥
shhatheeh anmrith bhojan khaanaa ||
-the thirty-six delicious foods to eat, ਸੇਜ ਸੁਖਾਲੀ ਸੀਤਲੁ ਪਵਣਾ ਸਹਜ ਕੇਲ ਰੰਗ ਕਰਣਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੩॥
saej sukhaalee seethal pavanaa sehaj kael rang karanaa jeeo ||3||
cozy beds, cooling breezes, peaceful joy and the experience of pleasure. ||3|| ਸਾ ਬੁਧਿ ਦੀਜੈ ਜਿਤੁ ਵਿਸਰਹਿ ਨਾਹੀ ॥
saa budhh dheejai jith visarehi naahee ||
Give me that state of mind, by which I may not forget You. ਸਾ ਮਤਿ ਦੀਜੈ ਜਿਤੁ ਤੁਧੁ ਧਿਆਈ ॥
saa math dheejai jith thudhh dhhiaaee ||
Give me that understanding, by which I may meditate on You. ਸਾਸ ਸਾਸ ਤੇਰੇ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਾ ਓਟ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣਾ ਜੀਉ ॥੪॥੧੨॥੧੯॥
saas saas thaerae gun gaavaa outt naanak gur charanaa jeeo ||4||12||19||
I sing Your Glorious Praises with each and every breath. Nanak takes the Support of the Guru's Feet. ||4||12||19||
It is He Who creates awareness, influses awareness "into this blind clay." He creates understanding, He creates each breath with which we sing His praise. His creation is a "wondrous play." He creates bliss, He creates all the things which we enjoy, and everything that he creates is good.
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__________________ ਜੇ ਕੋ ਮੂੰ ਉਪਦੇਸੁ ਕਰਤੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਵਣਿ ਤ੍ਰਿਣਿ ਰਤੜਾ ਨਾਰਾਇਣਾ ॥ jae ko moon oupadhaes karath hai thaa van thrin ratharraa naaraaeinaa || If someone is going to teach me something, let that be that the Lord is pervading the forests and fields. | 
08-May-2008, 10:21 AM
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| | | | | Re: Why Did He Create His Creation? Read this shabad at least 2 times.
ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥ aasaa mehalaa 5 || Aasaa, Fifth Mehl: ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਾਚੈ ਦੀਆ ਭੇਜਿ ॥ sathigur saachai dheeaa bhaej || The True Guru has truly given a child. ਚਿਰੁ ਜੀਵਨੁ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਸੰਜੋਗਿ ॥ chir jeevan oupajiaa sanjog || The long-lived one has been born to this destiny. ਉਦਰੈ ਮਾਹਿ ਆਇ ਕੀਆ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥ oudharai maahi aae keeaa nivaas || He came to acquire a home in the womb, ਮਾਤਾ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਿਗਾਸੁ ॥੧॥ maathaa kai man bahuth bigaas ||1|| and his mother's heart is so very glad. ||1|| ਜੰਮਿਆ ਪੂਤੁ ਭਗਤੁ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਕਾ ॥ janmiaa pooth bhagath govindh kaa || A son is born - a devotee of the Lord of the Universe. ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਆ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਧੁਰ ਕਾ ॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥ pragattiaa sabh mehi likhiaa dhhur kaa || rehaao || This pre-ordained destiny has been revealed to all. ||Pause|| ਦਸੀ ਮਾਸੀ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਜਨਮੁ ਲੀਆ ॥ dhasee maasee hukam baalak janam leeaa || In the tenth month, by the Lord's Order, the baby has been born. ਮਿਟਿਆ ਸੋਗੁ ਮਹਾ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਥੀਆ ॥ mittiaa sog mehaa anandh thheeaa || Sorrow is dispelled, and great joy has ensued. ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਸਖੀ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਗਾਵੈ ॥ gurabaanee sakhee anandh gaavai || The companions blissfully sing the songs of the Guru's Bani. ਸਾਚੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥੨॥ saachae saahib kai man bhaavai ||2|| This is pleasing to the Lord Master. ||2|| ਵਧੀ ਵੇਲਿ ਬਹੁ ਪੀੜੀ ਚਾਲੀ ॥ vadhhee vael bahu peerree chaalee || The vine has grown, and shall last for many generations. ਧਰਮ ਕਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੰਧਿ ਬਹਾਲੀ ॥ dhharam kalaa har bandhh behaalee || The Power of the Dharma has been firmly established by the Lord. ਮਨ ਚਿੰਦਿਆ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦਿਵਾਇਆ ॥Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817 man chindhiaa sathiguroo dhivaaeiaa || That which my mind wishes for, the True Guru has granted. ਭਏ ਅਚਿੰਤ ਏਕ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇਆ ॥੩॥ bheae achinth eaek liv laaeiaa ||3|| I have become carefree, and I fix my attention on the One Lord. ||3|| ਜਿਉ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਿਤਾ ਊਪਰਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਹੁ ਮਾਣੁ ॥ jio baalak pithaa oopar karae bahu maan || As the child places so much faith in his father, ਬੁਲਾਇਆ ਬੋਲੈ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਭਾਣਿ ॥ bulaaeiaa bolai gur kai bhaan || I speak as it pleases the Guru to have me speak. ਗੁਝੀ ਛੰਨੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਬਾਤ ॥ gujhee shhannee naahee baath || This is not a hidden secret; ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤੁਠਾ ਕੀਨੀ ਦਾਤਿ ॥੪॥੭॥੧੦੧॥ gur naanak thuthaa keenee dhaath ||4||7||101|| Guru Nanak, greatly pleased, has bestowed this gift. ||4||7||101|| Guru Arjan Dev starts by saying "A son is born" "his mother's heart is very glad." The shabad is a song of joy and fulfillment. Guru Arjan Dev is rejoicing at the birth of a child. And Guru Arjan Dev is acknowledging that this child was given by the True Guru and will grow to be a devotee of the Lord of the Universe.
I placed this shabad in this thread "Why Did He Create His Creation" because "this son" is the creation of God. The shabad is about both creation and re-creation.
The baby grows in the womb, and then Guru Arjan Dev tells us that bliss shall be obtained. So the shabad is about more thant the birth of a child who will grow to become a devotee of God. For the Guru goes onto say, ਵਧੀ ਵੇਲਿ ਬਹੁ ਪੀੜੀ ਚਾਲੀ ॥vadhhee vael bahu peerree chaalee || The vine has grown, and shall last for many generations.
Something more persistent than another human life has been created; it is born, grows and will continue -- the Power of the Dharma. It has been firmly established, as a vine that bears fruit must be firmly established.
"A child places so much faith in his father." And then we realize that what has been created has been created through faith and that what Guru Arjan Dev has wished for has been granted -- the Power of the Dharma.
It is a prayer of thanksgiving, for a son and it is a prayer of thanksgiving for the granting of a wish. Guru Arjan Dev is speaking both as a father and he is speaking as a son. He is speaking about a child and he is speaking as a child that grows to become a devotee. He is speaking about a child that does not die or wither. He is speaking as a father and he is speaking to his father. He may be speaking as the father of Guru Hargobind, and he may be speaking of Guru Ram Das (carrying the jyote of Guru Nanak). Guru Arjan Dev is definitely speaking to the Satguru. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817
Who is the father and who is the son? And who is the baby that is born? ਤੂੰ ਮੇਰਾ ਪਿਤਾ ਤੂੰਹੈ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਾਤਾ ॥ thoon maeraa pithaa thoonhai maeraa maathaa || You are my Father, and You are my Mother, says Guru Arjan Dev
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20-May-2008, 09:33 AM
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| | | | | Re: Why Did He Create His Creation? On Ang 325, Sant Kabir says this: ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817
gourree kabeer jee ||
Gauree, Kabeer Jee: ਜੋਤਿ ਕੀ ਜਾਤਿ ਜਾਤਿ ਕੀ ਜੋਤੀ ॥
joth kee jaath jaath kee jothee ||
The creation is born of the Light, and the Light is in the creation. ਤਿਤੁ ਲਾਗੇ ਕੰਚੂਆ ਫਲ ਮੋਤੀ ॥੧॥
thith laagae kanchooaa fal mothee ||1||
It bears two fruits: the false glass and the true pearl. ||1|| ਕਵਨੁ ਸੁ ਘਰੁ ਜੋ ਨਿਰਭਉ ਕਹੀਐ ॥
kavan s ghar jo nirabho keheeai ||
Where is that home, which is said to be free of fear?
ਭਉ ਭਜਿ ਜਾਇ ਅਭੈ ਹੋਇ ਰਹੀਐ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
bho bhaj jaae abhai hoe reheeai ||1|| rehaao ||
There, fear is dispelled and one lives without fear. ||1||Pause|| ਤਟਿ ਤੀਰਥਿ ਨਹੀ ਮਨੁ ਪਤੀਆਇ ॥
thatt theerathh nehee man patheeaae ||
On the banks of sacred rivers, the mind is not appeased. ਚਾਰ ਅਚਾਰ ਰਹੇ ਉਰਝਾਇ ॥੨॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817
chaar achaar rehae ourajhaae ||2||
People remain entangled in good and bad deeds. ||2|| ਪਾਪ ਪੁੰਨ ਦੁਇ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨ ॥
paap punn dhue eaek samaan ||
Sin and virtue are both the same. ਨਿਜ ਘਰਿ ਪਾਰਸੁ ਤਜਹੁ ਗੁਨ ਆਨ ॥੩॥
nij ghar paaras thajahu gun aan ||3||
In the home of your own being, is the Philosopher's Stone; renounce your search for any other virtue. ||3||
ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥
kabeer niragun naam n ros ||
Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord. ਇਸੁ ਪਰਚਾਇ ਪਰਚਿ ਰਹੁ ਏਸੁ ॥੪॥੯॥
eis parachaae parach rahu eaes ||4||9||
Keep this mind of yours involved in this involvement. ||4||9|| Sant Kabir speaks of the Philosopher's stone. The philosopher's stone is a metaphor for creation. For centuries, alchemists, magicians, freemasons, they all sought to create gold from base metals. Their endeavor described in terms of changing a base metal to a pure and valuable gold was itself symbolic for what they were really up to -- to change one's baser nature to a higher and more enlightened state. So Sant Kabir explains the situation this way. He starts by saying that creation is born of Light, and Light is in the creation. All that exists emerged from the Light, the pure intelligence of the Divine. He says that this Light is inside its very own creation. The Divine created everything and the Divine is in everything. And the everything that the Divine gave birth to includes two things: the false and the true. And then Sant Kabir asks the question that nags each and everyone of us, and that is echoed in Gurbani many times. How can we find liberation from fear, from the worries and anxieties that enslave us? Where can we find liberation from fear? So Sant Kabir goes on to point out that we remain entangled. Sin and virtue are the same -- a strange thing to say . It is our obsession with sin and virtue that entangles us in the same way. We remain trapped like rats running back and forth between these two states. We are trapped between wanting to be good, only to fall back into sin in the next breath. Only one thing can appease this fear. Bhagat Kabir tells us to renounce the trap and find the philosopher's stone within -- it is the only virtue. ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥ kabeer niragun naam n ros || Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord. ਇਸੁ ਪਰਚਾਇ ਪਰਚਿ ਰਹੁ ਏਸੁ ॥੪॥੯॥ eis parachaae parach rahu eaes ||4||9||Keep this mind of yours involved in this involvement. ||4||9| | 
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| | | | | Re: Why Did He Create His Creation? Quote"We remain trapped like rats running back and forth between these two states. We are trapped between wanting to be good, only to fall back into sin in the next breath. Only one thing can appease this fear. Bhagat Kabir tells us to renounce the trap and find the philosopher's stone within -- it is the only virtue. ਕਬੀਰਨਿਰਗੁਣਨਾਮਨਰੋਸੁ॥kabeer niragun naam n ros || Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord. ਇਸੁਪਰਚਾਇਪਰਚਿਰਹੁਏਸੁ॥੪॥੯॥eis parachaae parach rahu eaes ||4||9||Keep this mind of yours involved in this involvement. ||4||9|Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817 aad0002 ji, this is what I have learned after studying Gurbani on various aspects. About trap one needs to be aware of, one time namjap ji used another word" prison", if being in trap is not realized, and if being in prison of Maya is not realized, HIS game remains a mystery. | 
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| | | | | Re: Why Did He Create His Creation? pk70 ji
You say that if we do not realize we are in a trap and that Maya is our prison, the n HIS game remains a mystery. I believe you are correct. Even when we are happy we are deep within miserable in our fears. We fear that either happiness and contentment will be taken away, or we fear that we will never achieve the happiness and contentment we believe we deserve and are entitled to. Truly this is my own predicament in this lifetime. His mystery is the way out of pain, suffering and all of our banddhan. ਤ੍ਰਿਬਿਧਿ ਬੰਧਨ ਤੂਟਹਿ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੀ ਗੁਰ ਸਬਦੀ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਕਰਾਵਣਿਆ ॥੩॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817 thribidhh bandhhan thoottehi gur sabadhee gur sabadhee mukath karaavaniaa ||3|| The bonds of the three-phased Maya are broken by the Word of the Guru's Shabad. Through the Guru's Shabad, liberation is achieved. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817 So there is a promise. | 
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We fear that either happiness and contentment will be taken away, or we fear that we will never achieve the happiness and contentment we believe we deserve and are entitled to. Truly this is my own predicament in this lifetime. His mystery is the way out of pain, suffering and all of our banddhan. Aad0002 Ji We as Sikhs should leave to HIM what we deserve not and continue doing assigned duty or hard work to achieve set up goals and, should involve in dharma as per Guru Teachings, this much surrendering should take away our worries. Since my mind believed in it, I remained fine (unaffected) even after losing a few hundred thousands dollars in a business( my all savings and investments were wiped out, reason to state this is just to share how a little faith in HIM kept me intact emotionally) Simple faith in Him kept me going on. As you are aware of, I still fall and get up, Guru Bachan energizes me again, the of life play goes on. In the following Guru Shabad, Guru ji takes on all fears and inspires us to keep only one fear in mind, that is the fear of Lord. Why to fear from death, it is His call, why to fear to lose, it is His ordinance. Keeping fear of others in mind, can multiply the fears and one keeps struggling with one or another kind of fear. Guru ji says otherwise to set the soul free from every thing. Some may say to whom we are supposed love, why to fear? Answer can be taken with other example; we all have fear of Law. What we do? Do we live in fear of Law? No, we just remain aware of the codes of law and respect them. Same way we need to be fear of God and never let our ego forget that the ultimate authority is HE. That kind of fear triggers respect for HIM, in respect love glows unconditionally. Hope you will enjoy the following Guru Shabad in this very context. ਗਉੜੀਮਹਲਾ੧॥ गउड़ीमहला१॥ Ga*oṛī mehlā 1. Gauri, Mahala 1 ਗਊੜੀਪਹਿਲੀਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ। ਡਰਿਘਰੁਘਰਿਡਰੁਡਰਿਡਰੁਜਾਇ॥ डरिघरुघरिडरुडरिडरुजाइ॥ Dar gẖar gẖar dar dar dar jā*ė. Place God's fear in thy heart, and let thy home be in His dread. Thy fear of Death, then shall be frightened away. ਰੱਬਦੇਭੈਨੂੰਆਪਣੇਦਿਲਅੰਦਰਧਾਰਅਤੇਤੇਰਾਗ੍ਰਹਿਉਸਦੇਤ੍ਰਾਸਅੰਦਰਰਹੇਤਦ, ਤੇਰਾਮੌਤਦਾਭੈ, ਭੈਭੀਤਹੋਟੁਰਜਾਵੇਗਾ। ਸੋਡਰੁਕੇਹਾਜਿਤੁਡਰਿਡਰੁਪਾਇ सोडरुकेहाजितुडरिडरुपाइ॥ So dar kėhā jiṯ dar dar pā*ė. What sort of fear is that, by which the fear of death is frightened? ਉਹਭੈਕਿਸਕਿਸਮਦਾਹੈਜਿਸਦੁਆਰਾਮੌਤਦਾਭਉੈਭੀਤਹੋਜਾਂਦਾਹੈ? ਤੁਧੁਬਿਨੁਦੂਜੀਨਾਹੀਜਾਇ॥ तुधुबिनुदूजीनाहीजाइ॥ Ŧuḏẖ bin ḏūjī nāhī jā*ė. Without Thee, there is no other place of rest. ਤੇਰੇਬਗੈਰਹੋਰਕੋਈਆਰਾਮਦੀਥਾਂਨਹੀਂ। ਜੋਕਿਛੁਵਰਤੈਸਭਤੇਰੀਰਜਾਇ॥੧॥ जोकिछुवरतैसभतेरीरजाइ॥१॥ Jo kicẖẖ varṯai sabẖ ṯėrī rajā*ė. ||1|| Whatsoever happens, is all according to Thy will. ਜੋਕੁਝਭੀਹੁੰਦਾਹੈ, ਸਮੂਹਤੇਰੇਭਾਣੇਅਨੁਸਾਰਹੈ। ਡਰੀਐਜੇਡਰੁਹੋਵੈਹੋਰੁ॥ डरीऐजेडरुहोवैहोरु॥ Darī*ai jė dar hovai hor. Fear, if we have any other fear than that of the Lord. ਅਸੀਂਖੌਫਖਾ, ਜੇਕਰਸਾਨੂੰਪ੍ਰਭੂਦੇਬਾਝੋਂਕਿਸੇਹੋਰਸਦਾਖੌਫਹੋਵੇ। ਡਰਿਡਰਿਡਰਣਾਮਨਕਾਸੋਰੁ॥੧॥ਰਹਾਉ॥ डरिडरिडरणामनकासोरु॥१॥रहाउ॥ Dar dar darṇā man kā sor. ||1|| rahā*o. To be awed with fear, other than the fear of God, is but mind's tumult. Pause. ਰੱਬਦੇਭਊਬਗੈਰਹੋਰਸਦੇਭਉਨਾਲਸਹਿਮਜਾਣਾਨਿਰਾਪੁਰਾਚਿੱਤਦਾਸ਼ੋਰਸ਼ਰਾਬਾਹੀਹੈ।ਠਹਿਰਾਉ। ਨਾਜੀਉਮਰੈਨਡੂਬੈਤਰੈ॥ नाजीउमरैनडूबैतरै॥ Nā jī*o marai na dūbai ṯarai. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817 By itself the soul dies not, neither it is drowned, nor swims across. ਆਪਣੇਆਪਨਾਂਆਤਮਾਮਰਦੀਹੈ, ਨਾਂਡੁਬਦੀਹੈਅਤੇਨਾਂਹੀਪਾਰਉਤਰਦੀਹੈ। ਜਿਨਿਕਿਛੁਕੀਆਸੋਕਿਛੁਕਰੈ॥ जिनिकिछुकीआसोकिछुकरै॥ Jin kicẖẖ kī*ā so kicẖẖ karai. He, Who did make the creation, does everything. ਜਿਸਨੇਰਚਨਾਰਚੀਹੈ, ਉਹੀਸਭਕੁਝਕਰਦਾਹੈ। ਹੁਕਮੇਆਵੈਹੁਕਮੇਜਾਇ॥ हुकमेआवैहुकमेजाइ॥ Hukmė āvai hukmė jā*ė. By Lord's order man comes, and by His order he goes. ਸਾਈਂਦੇਅਮਰਦੁਆਰਾਬੰਦਾਆਉਂਦਾਹੈ, ਅਤੇਉਸਦੀਆਗਿਆਦੁਆਰਾਉਹਚਲਿਆਜਾਂਦਾਹੈ। ਆਗੈਪਾਛੈਹੁਕਮਿਸਮਾਇ॥੨॥ आगैपाछैहुकमिसमाइ॥२॥ Āgai pācẖẖai hukam samā*ė. ||2|| Before and after this birth, as well, the mortal remain absorbed in His fiat. ਇਸਜਨਮਦੇਅਗਾੜੀਤੇਪਿਛਾੜੀਭੀਪ੍ਰਾਣੀਉਸਦੇਫੁਰਮਾਨਅੰਦਰਲੀਨਰਹਿੰਦਾਹੈ। ਹੰਸੁਹੇਤੁਆਸਾਅਸਮਾਨੁ॥ हंसुहेतुआसाअसमानु॥ Hans hėṯ āsā asmān. In whom there is cruelty, worldly love, desire, and egotism, ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂਵਿੱਚਨਿਰਦਈਪੁਣਾ, ਸੰਸਾਰੀਮੋਹ, ਖਾਹਿਸ਼ਅਤੇਹੰਕਾਰਾਂਹਨ, ਤਿਸੁਵਿਚਿ ਭੂਖਬਹੁਤੁਨੈਸਾਨੁ॥ तिसुविचिभूखबहुतुनैसानु॥ Ŧis vicẖ bẖūkẖ bahuṯ nai sān. in them, like the water of a stream, there is a great hunger. ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂਵਿੱਚਨਦੀਦੇਪਾਣੀਮਾਨਿੰਦਬੜੀਭੁਖਹੈ। Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817 ਭਉਖਾਣਾਪੀਣਾਆਧਾਰੁ॥ भउखाणापीणाआधारु॥ Bẖa*o kẖāṇā pīṇā āḏẖār. For the Guruwards, Lord's fear is the food, drink, and main-stay. ਗੁਰਮੁਖਾਂਲਈਸੁਆਮੀਦਾਡਰਹੀਖਾਣ, ਪੀਣਅਤੇਆਸਰਾਹੈ। ਵਿਣੁਖਾਧੇਮਰਿਹੋਹਿਗਵਾਰ॥੩॥ विणुखाधेमरिहोहिगवार॥३॥ viṇ kẖāḏẖė mar hohi gavār. ||3|| Without entertaining Lord's fear the fools perish away. ਸਾਹਿਬਦਾਡਰਧਾਰਨਕਰਨਦੇਬਾਝੋਂਮੂਰਖਨਾਸਹੋਜਾਂਦੇਹਨ। ਜਿਸਕਾਕੋਇਕੋਈਕੋਇਕੋਇ॥ जिसकाकोइकोईकोइकोइ॥ Jis kā ko*ė ko*ī ko*ė ko*ė. If mortal has someone as his own then that some one is very rare indeed. ਜੇਕਰਪ੍ਰਾਣੀ ਦਾਕੋਈਜਣਾਆਪਣਾਨਿੱਜਦਾਹੈਤਾਂਉਹਕੋਈਜਣਾਬਹੁਤਹੀਵਿਰਲਾਹੈ। ਸਭੁਕੋਤੇਰਾਤੂੰਸਭਨਾਕਾਸੋਇ॥ सभुकोतेरातूंसभनाकासोइ॥ Sabẖ ko ṯėrā ṯūʼn sabẖnā kā so*ė. All are Thine, and thou, O sublime Lord art of all. ਸਾਰੇਤੇਰੇਹਨ, ਅਤੇਤੂੰਹੇਸ਼੍ਰੇਸ਼ਟਸੁਆਮੀਸਾਰਿਆਂਦਾਹੈ। ਜਾਕੇਜੀਅਜੰਤਧਨੁਮਾਲੁ॥ जाकेजीअजंतधनुमालु॥ Jā kė jī*a janṯ ḏẖan māl. To whom belong all living beings, wealth and property, ਜਿਸ (ਪ੍ਰਭੂ) ਦੇਸਾਰੇਜੀਵ-ਜੰਤ, ਸਭਦੌਲਤਅਤੇਜਾਇਦਾਦਹਨ, ਨਾਨਕਆਖਣੁਬਿਖਮੁਬੀਚਾਰੁ॥੪॥੨॥ नानकआखणुबिखमुबीचारु॥४॥२॥ Nānak ākẖaṇ bikẖam bīcẖār. ||4||2|| Nanak, it is not easy to describe and explain Him. ਨਾਨਕ, ਔਖਾ ਹੈ, ਉਸਦਾਵਰਨਣਅਤੇਵਿੱਚਾਰਕਰਨਾ। | 
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| | | | | Re: Why Did He Create His Creation? pk70 ji
A really beautiful message. And a sincere story that should make us all think twice about our relationship with Him. Just wanted to repeat these lines from the shabad that you posted. ਨਾਜੀਉਮਰੈਨਡੂਬੈਤਰੈ॥ नाजीउमरैनडूबैतरै॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817 Nā jī*o marai na dūbai ṯarai. By itself the soul dies not, neither it is drowned, nor swims across. ਆਪਣੇਆਪਨਾਂਆਤਮਾਮਰਦੀਹੈ, ਨਾਂਡੁਬਦੀਹੈਅਤੇਨਾਂਹੀਪਾਰਉਤਰਦੀਹੈ। Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817 ਜਿਨਿਕਿਛੁਕੀਆਸੋਕਿਛੁਕਰੈ॥ जिनिकिछुकीआसोकिछुकरै॥ Jin kicẖẖ kī*ā so kicẖẖ karai. He, Who did make the creation, does everything. | 
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| | | | | Re: Why Did He Create His Creation? This question has always nagged at me.
All of the answers and Shabads given here given here are wonderful, but I am still unsure.
Perhaps my mind just can't get around the motivations of the Eternal. Perhaps I'm missing something or have a screw loose in my brain.
Are these just plain silly? They are answers I have received at different times from different people. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817 - For the Majesty and Glory of His name (Christian)
- God is the Creator. Creators create.
- It was lonely and wanted someone to play with.
- It was bored and wanted entertainment.

OK, these all really do seem a bit silly, eh? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817
I suspect that this is one of those questions that I won't find a satisfactory answer to until I merge into the One. Then it will be obvious and I'll wonder how I could have missed it - just before the merging is complete.
Some things are simply beyond human understanding. I suspect that this may be one of those. | 
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| | | | | Re: Why Did He Create His Creation? pk70 ji's answer is a good one. it captures a lot. Aad0002 Ji We as Sikhs should leave to HIM what we deserve not and continue doing assigned duty or hard work to achieve set up goals and, should involve in dharma as per Guru Teachings, this much surrendering should take away our worries. Since my mind believed in it, I remained fine (unaffected) even after losing a few hundred thousands dollars in a business( my all savings and investments were wiped out, reason to state this is just to share how a little faith in HIM kept me intact emotionally) Simple faith in Him kept me going on. As you are aware of, I still fall and get up, Guru Bachan energizes me again, the of life play goes on.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19817 In the following Guru Shabad, Guru ji takes on all fears and inspires us to keep only one fear in mind, that is the fear of Lord. Why to fear from death, it is His call, why to fear to lose, it is His ordinance. Keeping fear of others in mind, can multiply the fears and one keeps struggling with one or another kind of fear. Guru ji says otherwise to set the soul free from every thing. Some may say to whom we are supposed love, why to fear? Answer can be taken with other example; we all have fear of Law. What we do? Do we live in fear of Law? No, we just remain aware of the codes of law and respect them. Same way we need to be fear of God and never let our ego forget that the ultimate authority is HE. That kind of fear triggers respect for HIM, in respect love glows unconditionally. Hope you will enjoy the following Guru Shabad in this very context. | | The following members appreciate Narayanjot Kaur Ji for the above message. | | 
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