Guru and God No Difference

whosoever wrote this made made this thread like Ratan Jawahar Manik. The thread starter said- IS, this rachna said- FROM THE PRIMAL BEGINING.

So I say
GURU IS/WAS/WILL BE GOD and GOD IS/WAS/WILL BE GURU
GURU AND GOD NO DIFFERENCE, IT NEVER WAS, IT NEVER WILL BE.

 
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So Guru is jot? and jot is Guru? and Jot is God? ok. So what are we then??

Dear Khalsa Ji,

'The Sat' is Nirakaar, Guru is Akaar. It is very clear from this that Guru cannot be 'The Sat' (God).

Assuming Guru to be God is not the way of Sikhs; Sikhi does not preaches it. It is the accepted way of ancient religions, our Guru Sahibs have never considered any Akaar (form or bodied entity) to be The Sat'.

This truth is self evident, no Akaar can be omnipresent which 'The Sat' is.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/19106-guru-and-god-no-difference.html

If Guru is equated with 'The Sat' them worship of beings and dieties will be justified. This is the cultural attributes of followers of ancient religions. If the followers of Sikh religion start accepting this thier ways will become similar to those of the followers of ancient religion and finally they will get dissolve in thier mass.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19106

Let us not drift away from Sikhi. Guru is not 'The Sat' (God).

With love and respect for all.

Amarpal Singh

This is how I view Guru ji.
Q & A: Does It Make Sense That Sikhs Worship 10 Gurus Like Gods? - DiscoverSikhi.Com

Amar Pal ji's post is really valuable for all those who do not understand Sikhi properly.

can you please read through this thread and explain the many shabads which say that guru and god are one? also, please use gurbani to support your statements so that we may better understand them.

thanks.

Jasleen ji,

It would be very gracious of amarpal ji to take up your suggestion. I share his concern -- that it is possible to understand the Divine that is within us in a way that leads to what amarpal calls practices of "ancient religions" and that I fear is polytheism, or worship of many gods. (you know that, no offense)

Many thanks for your comments because they lead the thread in the direction of a constructive discussion about Gurmat.

Amarpal Singh ji,

I am rather surprised to note your above comments.

Anand Sahib

siqgurU ibnw hor kcI hY bwxI ]
bwxI q kcI siqgurU bwJhu hor kcI bwxI ]
khdy kcy sxdy kcy kcØI AwiK vKwxI ]
hir hir inq krih rsnw kihAw kCU n jwxI ]
icqu ijn kw ihir lieAw mwieAw bolin pey rvwxI ]
khY nwnku siqgurU bwJhu hor kcI bwxI ]24]

Please explain, if our Gurus were not "Sat" then the Bani we have becomes Kachi Bani.

To explain whether our Gurus are Gods or not is not a simple task especially when one is addressing people with unequal level of intellect and/or Spiritual growth. Moreover the translations that one is relying upon are untrustworthy.

The answer to the debate lies in "Sochey soch na hoveyee" one needs to experience it. The discussion here is in contradiction to this verse. Do not think that is beyond ones thinking.(I am aware there is another more popular meaning to this verse but this is equally applicable and valid)

The word "Guru" has been used to have several meanings in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. From different stages of spirituality you will have a different sence of feeling of Guru. From the level of discussion in this forum, the part that we can visualise, Our Gurus were not Gods but from the part that is beyond our understanding there lies an inseperable link direct with God. "Ehvad oochay hovey soay, Tis OOchey ko janey soay" One needs to experience this.

Gurus have laid no claims to be Gods, it is our misunderstanding and misinterpretation of Gurus poetry/Bani. One can assume what one likes due to ones understanding, whether Gurus were Gods or not has no bearing on us. Only the teachings of our Gurus is of significance.

Kind regards to all

What do u mean by pakki bani and kachi bani?
And if God doesn't write bani, is it Kachi?
Well, it is God who writes everything! From the Bible, Gita, quran to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to Twinkle Twinkle Little Star! The fact that Bible, Gita and Quran have absurdities in them is all part of His/Her play!
Agreed!!