tape 26 out of 81:

Gyani ji overviews first and second svaroop of sarvan.

First svaraop of sarvan is the discourse one hears from their Guru or vedas/shastaras and contemplates on it.

Man Tu Jot Svaroop hai Apna Mool Paichaain ||

Purpose of first svaroop of sarvan(listening) is that it makes one have full faith that atma(our soul) is indeed an image of God.

Second Svaroop of sarvan(listening) is following sermons of Guru. Sermons have six signs.

1. Upkaram/Upsangar: means wherever one starts, ends at that point too. Gyani Ji gives example from gurbani- aad sach, jugad sach, habhi sach, nanak hosi bhi sach. Ikongkar is mangalroop. Aad poran madh poran ant poran paremshvara ||

2. Abhyaas: Repetition of one mantar, gurbani tuk. Har Ek Simar Ek Simar Ek Simar Pyare || Simaro Simar Sukh Pavaaaoo ||

3. Apooravta: Without Guru, one cannot get gyan(true knowledge). Gurbani says:

Gur Bin Gyan Na Hovai ||

Jai Soou Chanda Ugavaie, Soraj Charaie Hazaar Etai Chanan Hundaya Gur Bin Ghoor Andhar ||

4. Labvata: Jagiaaso asks the Guru, what can i benefit by listening to your discourses? Guru Ji replies one gets jivan mukhti:

Jio Jal Mein Jal Aye Khatana Tio Joti Sang Jot Samana ||

5. Arthvaad: When one listens to an verse then makes an effort know the meaning after that contemplate on it.

Gyani Ji recommends that one should do either 100 japji sahib a day or do one japji sahib with meanings via doing vichar through steeks(deep meanings of gurbani)

6. Uppatti: Uppatti is jugti(technique) which is given in Gurbani. Vahiguroo is sarabvyapak your inside and outside... For example-

Ghat Ghat Mein Har Jo Baasaie Santan Kaio Pookar ||

Sidhas asked Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji please tell us breifly about manan(acceptance). What is the svaroop/saroop of Manan that you talked about in gaavee-ai sunee-ai man rakhee-ai bhaa-o

Guru Ji replied:

One should man(accept) that God is inside and outside me. Sarabvyapak (every where). One shouldn't say that God is very distant.

Guru ji further said: third stage talked about in the verse was nidhasan(acting upon it) which is main out of sarvan and manan.

One listens to spiritual discourses and also accept the discourses. However not many act upon or contemplate with the discourses(nidhasan). Guru Ji said Sajati brithi(vision that gives birth to knowledge) one should kill vijayti brithi (vision that gives birth to ignorance) within one self.

That's why I have narrated:

gaavee-ai sunee-ai man rakhee-ai bhaa-o ||

Whereas suneeai refers to sarvan(listening), man(acceptance) rakhaaee refers to nidhasan(Acting upon ) the divine discourses(gurbani). If one does these three things and let your mind be filled with love. And then one gets this in return:

dukh parhar sukh ghar lai jaa-ay.

There are four main types of Dukh:

Vichora(separation)
Bhouk(hunger)
Dukh from Jamdoot (torture in hands of angel of death)
Physical diseases and Illness.

Some of these dukhs we suffer here in this earth some in other world(parlok)

All these pain(dukh) main and small pains shall be gone away, and one gets turiya avastha(highest state of enlightment) merges in Nirvkalap Samadhi (meditation with no thoughts) in this type of samadhi one does not what time is it, where is one sitting, one does not feel hungry or thristy, one does not even know about the existence of one self.

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tape 27 out of 81

Guru Ji says:

gurmukh naadaN

Guru oreintated person first does kirtan or sing his praises.

gurmukh vaydaN

Guru oreintated person then does vichaar on atam gyan, on one's self and contemplate on one self.

Kaai Saroop Geet Gaavaie
Kaai Saroop Dhyan laavaie | (Vichar Sagar Granth)


gurmukh rahi-aa samaa-ee.

Guru oreintated person then goes to nirvakalap samadhi

Gyani ji talks about how gurmukh in 24 hours does sing his praises, then do vichar on one self's(atma) goes to nirvakalap samadhi.

gur eesar gur gorakh barmaa gur paarbatee maa-ee.

My akaal purkh is my Satguru who is also Guru of isher, gorakh, brhma, gur paarbatee maa-ee.

jay ha-o jaanaa aakhaa naahee kahnaa kathan na jaa-ee.

Even knowing God, I cannot describe Him; He cannot be described in words.

guraa ik dayhi bujhaa-ee.

Guru(Akaal Purkh)has given me this one understanding:

sabhnaa jee-aa kaa ik daataa so mai visar na jaa-ee. ||5||

All the beings, deities, avtars has one and only one creator(God) after Guru came this realization there is no difference me and him. so mai - so ahang avastha ( I am thee state of mind).

Gyani ji shares an sakhi of Siri Guru Nanank Dev Ji giving guruship to Bhai Lehna Ji made him Guru Angad Dev Ji. Sri Guru Nanak Gurdev asked Sri Guru Angad Dev Ji- what do you see?. Sri Guru Angad Dev ji said, So mai (So ahang- I am bhram, thee). Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji said, this is same state - so ahang where there is no difference. Sri Guru Nanak dev ji advised Sri Guru Angad Dev ji not to use sohang ( I am thee) infront of sangat because some people can use this mantar and start calling themselves God in ego. That's why infront of them we need to be das(inferior) in words so they can adapt virtues. so infront of them always say- so mai visar na jaaee (May i never forget him).

However, when it comes to antriv avastha( your internal state), always remember so mai (I am you) visar na jaaee ( i can never forget that. because of self-realization).


Sidhas asked Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji to join pilgrame with them. Guru Ji replied:

tirath naavaa jay tis bhaavaa vin bhaanay ke naa-ay karee.

If I am pleasing to Him by staying in bhanna(hakum), then that is my pilgrimage and cleansing bath.

Without pleasing Him, what good are ritual cleansings?


To be continued:

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Sikh80 ji

Thank you for taking time each week or so to post these kathas. Each one has several nuggets of important reflection.

Sat Nam

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ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe.

Dear Sikh 80 ji,
SSAkal.

The questions coming in your mind are very logical. I am afraid Sister Surinder's answers aren't convincing, with all due respects to her. In the Granth Sahib, our respected Gurus have professed themselves as sinners. They clearly say they are seeking forgiveness of their sins. Guru Arjan Dev says i worship the Creator who has created me in my mother's womb. All my life i have been a devout follower of Sikhism, but now i am not convinced about many areas. The questions cropping in your mind trouble me also. What if the Gurus were dead serious and have really declared themselves unworthy of worship? Aren't we then commiting a folly by blindly following them as Gurus, and idol worshipping them? All the Gurus point towards the Creator. They say Shabad hi Guru hai.

In fact what disturbed me was the fact that much of the text in Granth Sahib has been copied from the Bible. If i as a Sikh take pride in my religion, and Gurus, why do my Gurus need to copy something from a different Holy Book, that is much older than theirs.

In the beginning was word, and word was with God, and word was God...now this text first appeared in Bible and then in Granth Sahib, i have discovered this. Then in one of the verses in Granth, Gurus say that they will worship the Word that was taken alive to heaven....something like Panch tatva da Putla Nanak....Shabad mera Guru Jo Jeevit Gaya Aasmaan.

What was Nank Ji trying to say here? Who has gone alive to heaven. If someone has gone alive to heaven, then definitely that Shabad (Word) must have come to earth also....a very logical assumption. Now if that Word became flesh, and came to earth, then it must be God incarnated. Now none of our Gurus have made a claim that they are God. They have sought forgiveness of their sins from Waheguru, the Almighty. Suppose my Gurus were trying to show me a way?

So in my attempts i came across some verses in Bible where Jesus maakes claims, that He is the way, the truth, the life. There is no other way to Almighty except through me (Jesus).

Now i do not these claims in any other Holy Book. The point to ponder is, why did Jesus make these claims? Who gave Him the authority to say such things? Naturally a person with authority would make such statements. Why did my Gurus not say such things? Why not a single surety that they will take me to heaven?

Why do my Gurus need forgiveness of sins, as they claim. And if they need forgiveness, whom are they seeking forgivenss from? Who can forgive their sins? First i though that it must be Waheguru. But then how do i talk to the Waheguru? I also need my sins forgiven, like my Gurus. So i came across these verses in Bible where Jesus says that He has been given the authority to forgive sins, by Heavenly Father. I find this talk pretty straight forward. Jesus Himself is not seeking forgiveness of sins but He is grants forgiveness. He is sinless whereas my Gurus say they are sinners.

I am not a Christian but i have pondered over these startling discoveries. Am i worshipping the wrong Gurus? Why my Gurus say that whoever worships us will go to hell ( ghor narak) ? I don't wanna end up my life in hell!! I want to go to heaven!

There are other verses also which seem confusing. We just can't blindly assume that Nank is Waheguru Himself. That would be just assuming things. Let's try to get logical, for a change.

The questions coming in your mind are very logical. I am afraid Sister Surinder's answers aren't convincing, with all due respects to her. In the Granth Sahib, our respected Gurus have professed themselves as sinners. They clearly say they are seeking forgiveness of their sins. Guru Arjan Dev says i worship the Creator who has created me in my mother's womb. All my life i have been a devout follower of Sikhism, but now i am not convinced about many areas. The questions cropping in your mind trouble me also. What if the Gurus were dead serious and have really declared themselves unworthy of worship? Aren't we then commiting a folly by blindly following them as Gurus, and idol worshipping them? All the Gurus point towards the Creator. They say Shabad hi Guru hai.

sidhu-james ji

As far as I know Guru ji where ever says that he is low he is a sinner, it doesnt mean it is admission of any sin, actually it is humble behaviour, also it is about the general people( HAM MAILE TU UJJAL KARTA, HAM-WE). So do not understand it in a wrong way, I cannot recall now what in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, it is said like WAHEGURU, Guru ji is also beyond error. Guru Nanak is our Guru Ji and WAHEGURU is what we seek.

[quote=sidhu_james;80862]Dear Sikh 80 ji,
SSAkal.

Sikh 80 is not available obviously let me comment on your comments
The questions coming in your mind are very logical.
Whose mind? If in your mind, they are not very logical surprisingly, I shall prove it.
. In the Granth Sahib, our respected Gurus have professed themselves as sinners.
Revealed Gurbani is not any kind of confession but a humble way to address to the Creator. In Gurbani, ego is main target through out Gurbani. It is not spoken always on behalf Guru ji only but also on behalf of all. Prayer for every one is made.
They clearly say they are seeking forgiveness of their sins. Guru Arjan Dev says i worship the Creator who has created me in my mother's womb.
It is called complete surrender by being ego less( I-ness), nothing more than that. It is said all in Love and in being in love. There is no statement there but a deep genius poetic display of revealed Truth who had it, not based on hear say
All my life i have been a devout follower of Sikhism
‘That is not true because devout Sikh goes beyond imaginative doubts, your questions prove otherwise
, but now i am not convinced about many areas. The questions cropping in your mind trouble me also. What if the Gurus were dead serious and have really declared themselves unworthy of worship?
Guru ji never advocates self worshiping save for respect, from where you are getting this is beyond my comprehension.
Aren't we then commiting a folly by blindly following them as Gurus, and idol worshipping them? All the Gurus point towards the Creator. They say Shabad hi Guru hai.
How other way can any one follow Guru? elaborate with your wiser approach? By doubting in him or questioning him by being in a position of having other influences? Why then there is a need to even follow any one? Why don’t you ask yourself, as you claim to be logical, how every word written hundred years after Jesus could be his words? Where is your logical mind there? You accept their claims to be true, isn’t it laughable? Gurbani is in poetic form, symbols and metaphors are major players in conveying message of peace and love.

In fact what disturbed me was the fact that much of the text in Granth Sahib has been copied from the Bible. If i as a Sikh take pride in my religion, and Gurus, why do my Gurus need to copy something from a different Holy Book, that is much older than theirs.
Who told you that lie? Have you studied history? Gurbani discusses Islam and Hinduism, not a small reference is given about Bible and its religion, isn’t it a proof that Guru ji didn’t even acknowledge Christianity as an important to address. In expression of passion and spiritual concepts, words can resemble in many religious scriptures, that doesn’t mean those are copy.

In the beginning was word, and word was with God, and word was God...now this text first appeared in Bible and then in Granth Sahib, i have discovered this
First read Japji, Word concept will be clear in your mind. Word is also used in Gurbani for different meaning in different context unlike in Bible
. Then in one of the verses in Granth, Gurus say that they will worship the Word that was taken alive to heaven....something like Panch tatva da Putla Nanak....Shabad mera Guru Jo Jeevit Gaya Aasmaan.
You even don’t remember Guru Vaak, concluding on some thing like this shows a display of foolish attack on Sikhism

What was Nank Ji trying to say here? Who has gone alive to heaven

Asmaan is not heaven for Gods sake; you should respect yourself and avoid making statements on which people should laugh at.
. If someone has gone alive to heaven, then definitely that Shabad (Word) must have come to earth also....a very logical assumption.
What you are saying, may be Bible says that, I am sure Guru Granth Sahib doesn’t, period.

Now if that Word became flesh, and came to earth, then it must be God incarnated.
Very clearly it is stated in Guru Granth Sahib that HE is beyond Birth and death, incarnation is imagination of some or those who have no inkling of Sargan Form of the Creator.
Now none of our Gurus have made a claim that they are God. They have sought forgiveness of their sins from Waheguru, the Almighty. Suppose my Gurus were trying to show me a way?
They were humble and want us to be humble, to remain egoless before HIM, all shallow or real intellectual are fruitless in pursuit of Spiritual experience. As per Gurbani, sins of others are not taken by one person unless God wishes, sins remain liability of the sinners; responsibility of the sins lies on doers shoulders. No trading in or false promises.

So in my attempts i came across some verses in Bible where Jesus maakes claims, that He is the way, the truth, the life. There is no other way to Almighty except through me (Jesus)
Follow Him, Good luck. It is a claim of your choice after all.

Now i do not these claims in any other Holy Book. The point to ponder is, why did Jesus make these claims? Who gave Him the authority to say such things? Naturally a person with authority would make such statements. Why did my Gurus not say such things? Why not a single surety that they will take me to heaven?
Go to Radha Swami, Ram Rahim Singh, they all make claims .Did Jesus make claim or his followers did? That question’s answer proves what logic you are following. As Bible was written by others than Jesus, who knows who made claim in reality. Ponder over it, still I urge you to join the wagon of Jesus, he takes all responsibility for others sins, many people love that concept; you just enjoy life and meet him in the end free of all sins, what a free ride, it is that simple as per their claims contrary to Gurmat. My best wishes are with you.

Why do my Gurus need forgiveness of sins, as they claim. And if they need forgiveness, whom are they seeking forgivenss from? Who can forgive their sins? First i though that it must be Waheguru. But then how do i talk to the Waheguru? I also need my sins forgiven, like my Gurus. So i came across these verses in Bible where Jesus says that He has been given the authority to forgive sins, by Heavenly Father. I find this talk pretty straight forward. Jesus Himself is not seeking forgiveness of sins but He is grants forgiveness. He is sinless whereas my Gurus say they are sinners.
As I told you earlier, you are believer of individual claims, go ahead. Guru ji prayed and asked Him for forgiveness for all, and all power is credited to HIM, the infinite One, to forgive mortals. At the last moment, you can recall very famous words, Jesus is said to say” Father forgive them they don’t know what they are doing” Why Jesus himself didn’t declare” I forgive you guys, you don’t know what you are doing!” Why he asked His Creator/Father for forgiveness? as per your logical mind.

I am not a Christian but i have pondered over these startling discoveries. Am i worshipping the wrong Gurus? Why my Gurus say that whoever worships us will go to hell ( ghor narak) ? I don't wanna end up my life in hell!! I want to go to heaven!

Who guided you to worship Guru,? Guru ji asked to have respect for Guru and Surrender to him so that out of control intellectual and mind can be enabled to see HIM within, not in the sky etc.

There are other verses also which seem confusing. We just can't blindly assume that Nank is Waheguru Himself. That would be just assuming things. Let's try to get logical, for a change.
Both ways, I don’t see any logic, because assumption is ones own, could be quite untrue. Think, a guy is ready to believe in claims made by some people hundred years after Jesus, is it a logical approach?. I have proved, there is no logic in your views what so ever..

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Guru Ji further says:

suni-ai eesar barmaa ind.

By Listening one comes to know about Shiva, Brahma and Indra.

suni-ai mukh saalaahan mand.

By Listening to Naam even one gets praised by foul-mouthed person.

suni-ai jog jugat tan bhayd.

By Listening to Naam one gets knowledge about technology of Yoga and the secrets of the body.

Gyani ji shares how yogis do meditation:

Yogis concentrate on five elements of body (earth, fire, air, water,sky) in their meditation.

First they start with meditating on earth, they do that for few years, they got power in return that they cannot be bury under the earth, even if someone tries to bury them

Then they start meditating on fire, they do that for few years, they got power in return that they cannot be burned in fire.

Then like that they start meditating on air, they do that for few years, they got power in retun that they cannot be moved by strongest wind.

Then they meditate on water unil they get power of not drowning in the water. They can walk on it.

Then they meditate on fifth element which is sky, they do meditate on that for years until they got power of floating on the sky.

Gyani ji stresses that gursikhs does not need to go to that long route, they should meditate on naam which is all pervading and they get saved from five elements and more.

suni-ai saasat simrit vayd.

By Listening to Naam- bhrama, rishis, munnis wrote six Shaastras, twenty-seven Simritees and four Vedas.

naanak bhagtaa sadaa vigaas.

Nanak says, the devotees are forever in bliss.

suni-ai dookh paap kaa naas.

By Listening to Naam-pain and sin are erased. ||9||


suni-ai sat santokh gi-aan.

By Listening to Naam- one gets to know real essence of truth, contentment and spiritual wisdom.

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suni-ai sat santokh gi-aan.

By Listening to Naam- one gets to know real essence of truth, contentment and spiritual wisdom.

Gyani ji gives an example of baba deep singh ji. How baba deep singh ji was embodiment of sat, santokh and gian, How he saved 38,000 women honor from mughal oppressors. Out of 38,000 women. One women was extremely beautiful. Singhs requested baba deep singh ji to give her ride home because our mind may can go astray. Baba Deep Singh Ji took five singhs along with him to drop her off. Women's beauty had no effect on him.

He was know as jat-sati(celibate), santokhi and bhramgyani mahapursh all because of reciting naam and listening to Naam..

suniai at(h)asat(h) kaa eisanaan ||

By Listening to Naam- one takes a cleansing bath of amrit after going through sixty-eight pilgrames which exist within our body, after one realizes that then they get same anand that people get after visiting 68 physical pilgrames.


suni-ai parh parh paavahi maan.

Firt one listens then recites and contemplates on it, then honor is obtained in this world(lok) and next world (parlok).

Gyani ji uses gives deep interpertations of this above tuk-

By listening to Naam, one rips(paaar)- 5 kosas/sheats (Anamay kosh, Pranmay Kosh, Manmay Kosh, Viganmay kosh, Anandmay Kosh), avidya(ignorance) through and get honor in this world (lok) and next world(parlok).


suni-ai laagai sahj Dhi-aan.

By listening to Naam- one intuitively grasp the essence of meditation, one automatically can concentrate on meditation all time.

Gyan ji gives an example of Bhai Gonda Ji one day he was fully concentrating on Guru Har Rai Ji's feet. Guru Ji didn't move and had his eyes closed even when sevadar requested Guru ji to eat food. Guru ji after 4 pm did naitar parkash( opened his eyes from samadhi). Sikhs asked Guru Ji what happened? Guru ji replied, today bhai gonda ji held on to my feet as in was concentrating on my image. How can i leave him, i was binded with his love.

Gyani ji says- Dhan(concentration) has soo much power. When someone is remembering Vahiguroo with dhyaan(concentration), vahiguroo gives devotee darshan(come to see devotee).


Then Guru Ji says:

naanak bhagtaa sadaa vigaas.

O Nanak, the devotees are forever in bliss.

suni-ai dookh paap kaa naas. ||10||

By Listening to Naam-pain and sin are erased.

suniai saraa gunaa kae gaah ||

By Listening to Naam, one dive's deep into the ocean of virtue.

By Listening to Naam one's surati(concentration) merge with shabad and hit its aim which is nirankar.

Sara means- Sarovar(ocean)
Guna- virtues like truth, contement, knowledge etc.
Gaaha means aim

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suniai saekh peer paathisaah ||

By listening to Naam one comes to know about Shaykhs, religious scholars, spiritual teachers and emperors.

suniai a(n)dhhae paavehi raahu ||

By Listening to Naam- the ignorant blind ones and even the blind who literally cannot see, can find the spiritual Path.

Guru Ji also says:

Keh Nanak Eh Naaitar Andh Saie Satgur milae Deeb-dristh - ||


suniai haathh hovai asagaahu ||

By listening(sarvan) to the Naam-deep ocean becomes size of hand and one can easily across the worldy ocean.

Gyani ji gives an example how maharaja ranjit singh once came to know when his main general hari singh nalva got killed. He took off with his horse and his soldiers to fight the enemy. While he was going, on his away he found deep river which he had to across in order to reach destination. Maharaja ranjit singh ji stopped near edge of river, one of mahapursh- baba bir singh ji naurangabad asked maharaja ranjit singh, what's wrong? He replied there is deep river ahead. what should be done? Baba Bir Singh Ji told maharaja ranjit singh, this is nothing, guru maharaj ji told us `suniai haathh hovai asagaahu ||. We shall do ardas. They did ardas with full faith, please bless us to come across the deep river. There were few hundred turks who didn't had faith and still had doubts in their minds. Maharaja ji did vahiguroo jap after ardas, and his horse stepped on water. When that happened, all depth of water disappeared and khalsa army with their horses was able to across the whole river easily, all of army was able to across the river except those who had doubt and lack of faith in their mind. They were drowned because of lack of faith.

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naanak bhagtaa sadaa vigaas.

Nanak says, the devotees are forever in bliss.

suni-ai dookh paap kaa naas. ||11||

By Listening to Naam-pain and sin are erased.

Then Guru Ji says:

mannay kee gat kahee na jaa-ay.

Those who follow bachan of Guru, their state of mind cannot be described.

Gyani ji gives an example from the history- how bhai jevan ji followed Guru Har Rai Ji's bachan. In 1712 bikrami When Guru Maharaj celebrated jor mela at Kartarpur Sahib.. there was this bhramin son's passed away. His father bought his dead body to Guru Ji. He begged Guru ji to bring him alive. Guru Ji told him, one has to stay in hakum of Vahiguroo. Sikhs besides also start requesting Guru Ji to bring him alive. Guru ji then said, okay if you wish to bring him alive then one of you should come forward and leave your body so hakum is not broken and other person can be bought back to life again because it be replacement. Most of sikhs there had their heads down in shame. After waiting a little, Guru Ji called for volunteers again, but same silence again. Guru Ji asked the third time, there was this Sikh name- bhai jeevan ji he thought he should volunteer so he sneaked out from back door and went to his house, did ishnan and did japji sahib and realised his prana's(breath)/body. When that happened, son of bhramin got up. Guru Ji asked, who followed my bachan? One of sevadars told Guru Ji, it was bhai jeevan ji who got up and went home to gave up his body for this kid. Guru Ji said, here take your son. Pandit was really happy. Guru Ji said, bhai jeevan got all graces and will get higher state because he followed bachan.

Then Siri Guru Nanak Dev narrated:

jay ko kahai pichhai pachhutaa-ay.

One who tries to describe state of those who follow bachan of Guru shall regret the attempt.

kaagad kalam na likhanhaar.

No paper, no pen, no scribe can record the state of the faithful devoote.

mannay kaa bahi karan veechaar.

Those who follows bachan of guru, the veechar on their state cannot be done alone but in sangat one can only touch on their life and still will not be enough.


aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay.

Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.


jay ko man jaanai man ko-ay. ||12||
Only ones who have follow Naam in their mind comes to know such a state of mind.

Gyani ji talks about how naam needs to first reciten by tongue, listened with your ears, then with mind do vichar and contemplated on. But in order to do that, one should listen to katha arths of gurbani and do vichar of gurbani because mind gets fully concentrated and stays intact.

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Guru ji then says:

mannai surat hovai man buDh.

Those who have listened and followed discourses of Guru they get intuitive awareness(surat) about mind and intelligence, their surat merges with shabad.

Gyan ji shares an sakhi how one Sikh came to Guru Maharaj told Guru Ji that i cannot get concentration in my mind. Guru Ji replied- tu dhan hai ( you are great).

Again next day, this Sikh came to Guru Maharaj told the same thing, this time Guru Ji told him- Teri mata-pitta bhi dhan hai (your parents are also great).

Again he came back next day to guru ji and complained about the same thing, Guru Ji replied- tera pind bhi dhan hai ( your village is also great). This Sikh got confused and asked i don't understand. Guru Ji explained him that you should thank to lord atleast you acknowledge that you have a mind, ninty-five percent of people in this earth living an life of an animal.

Since you have found or located the disease, you will also find cure of it.

Mann has four elements/names- Mann, Chit, Buddh, Ahankar. This is also known as Chatusta.

We call it mann when this mind does sankalp/vikalp( have thoughts), We call it buddhi when this mind in illusion consider false worldly things as truth and perceive truth(God) as false, We call it chit when mind is moody and desires for differe things, ahankar- we call it ahankar when mind says I am this, I am that, I am power, my status is high, I am better..!

When one acknowledges, accepts and contemplates :

Mann Tu Jot Saroop Hai, Apna Mool Painchaain ||

O mind, you are the manifestation of divine recnognize yourself.

They reach higher reality.

mannai sagal bhavan kee suDh.

By following guru discourses on Naam one knows about all outer worlds and realms,inner chakras(bhvans) within in the body, one's real self(atma).

mannai muhi chotaa naa khaa-ay.

The faithful in Guru's discourses- naam shall never be struck across the face.

Gyani ji gives an example how back in 1810 when mughals attacked the village and forced Sikh women to convert into islam, but they didn't converted then they tried to stuck the Sikh women with attachment tactics, they killed childrens of Sikh women, they chopped the childrens of Sikh women infront of their mothers but attachment tactics (muh di sat) used by mughals didn't work.

mannai jam kai saath na jaa-ay.

The faithful in Guru's discourses- naam do not go with the Messenger of Death.

Gyani ji says for gurmukh, at the time of death- either panj singhs, or mahapursh or even guru sometimes comes and take his Sikh.

Gyani ji given an example- In a pind(village) name mandil, there was a Sikh who used to do meditation. Sant baba gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale came to the pind. He attended sant ji discourses. He suddenly with respect told sant ji that I see panj pyares- five beloveds of khalsa . Sant Ji asked him , what are they saying ? He said they are asking me to do anand sahib da patt, since my time has came. Then this singh did anand sahib da patt and left his body.

Gyani ji gives an second example - In a pind(boparai) village, there was this Sikh name- sardara singh. When his time came to leave the body, he told his parents -he sees sant baba attar singh ji muastaniewaly and he came to take me, my time has came then he happily left his body.

Gyani ji gives an another example how there was a premi(lover) of sant baba attar singh ji mustanaywaley name- Kartar Singh. When kartar singh time came, dasam patsah himself came to take him on his horse. On the way, Guru Gobind Singh Ji met sant baba attar singh ji in the farm and said- bhai attar sian, this Sikh served you well. Sikh who does mahapursh di seva is beloved to me. Guru ji futher said, tell his family that I came to take him to Sachkhand and not to be sad/emotional.


aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay.

Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.


jay ko man jaanai man ko-ay. ||13||

Ones who have follow Naam in their mind, becomes naami/bhram saroop(embodiment of divine lord)

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mannai maarag thaak na paa-ay.

Those who have followed Naam, their pathway shall never be blocked.

Guo Gir Sagar Marg Dahi ||

Faithful one can easily across Guo - Dharti, Gir- Moutains, Sagar- Oceans.


Gyani Ji talks about how there is internal pathway route to spirituality. Those who followed naam, their internal pathway as in chakras(energy points) in the body also gets opened and also they can go in and out in three lokas .


mannai pat si-o pargat jaa-ay.

Those who have followed Naam shall depart with honor and fame.

Deep interpertation of this gurbani tuk: Those who have followed Naam, naami merges with pat which is patti/paratma(God) appears in God's creation.


mannai mag na chalai panth.

Those who have followed Naam, do not follow empty religious rituals or go in wrong direction.

mannai Dharam saytee san-banDh.

Those who have followed Naam are firmly bound to the Dharma.

Gyan ji shares an sakhi - How during banda singh bahudar's time mughal captured an innocent young amritdhari who was about to get married, took him to their prison where hundreds sikhs were daily butchered because they didn't converted to Islam. This young amritdhari Sikh was in que to get his head chopped off. When his turn came, his mother came out running and begged mughal authorities let him go, she said - we are hindu and we are not Sikh. This young Sikh told his mother in disappointment, you are not my mother and told the mughal authorities that I am baptised Sikh and i don't know this women. My mother is - mata sahib kaur. Mughal leader was quite suprised by his faith in Sikh dharam. Leader told him even though you are Sikh. we will realise you. He disagreed and said, I wish to be killed for dharam. The mughal leader got even more suprised and said- ok sir, i realized now faith of Sikh. I realize all your brothers with you. This young Sikh boy with his faith in Sikh dharam got himself realsed and got sixty Sikh men also.

Gyani ji also shares how when it comes to matyrdom- sikhs who were in que of death row used to fight among themselves in pyaar of each other that I must go before you, other Sikh says i must go before you. That is such a state of mind of a Sikh who have followed Naam.

They also adapts virtues like karna (daya karni/feel compasionate towards others), mukta(feel happiness instead of feeling jealous of other's acheivement), matri bhav (consider everyone as freind), abahyakha- ignore avgun(non virtues) of others.

aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay.

Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.

jay ko man jaanai man ko-ay. ||14||

Only one who have follow Naam/Guru's discourses in their mind, becomes naami/bhram saroop(embodiment of divine lord).

Guru ji further said:

mannai paavahi mokh du-aar.

Those who have followed Naam find the Door of Liberation.

Gyani ji goes in detail: Those who have followed naam finds door of liberation (tenth door) by going through nine gates/doors within human body.

Bhagat Namdev says:

Moi Hoi Jai Mukht Dehogaie Mukh Janaaie Na Kohila ||

Once god aked bhagat namdev ji- what do you like?. He asked for Salvation. God said- that you will gain salvation once you left your body. Namdev Ji said to God- then how would this world know that I got liberated after meditating upon your Naam. God smiled and said, how could i say no to you? Here you have all my grace.

Gyani ji futher looks at the above tuk from different angle: Those who have followed naam goes through four doors to salvation after leaving the doors of this world.

First door is Sam (stopping of desires fully which are runs through mind).

Second door is Santokh ( be content of whatever you have)

Third door is Sat Sangat (being in company of holy ones)

Fourth door is door of Bhramgyan/Turiya avastha- going through above three doors one can easily open fourth door to salvation.

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Guru Ji further says:

mannai parvaarai saaDhaar.

Those who have followed Naam uplift and redeem their family and relations.

There are three types of family: 1) Family being in physical form. 2. Indria da parvar(Family of senses). 3. Mann Parvar(Family of mind). These are three parvars one goes through by following naam and becomes Gurmukh.

Those who have followed Naam not only redeem themselves but their family as well.

Those who have followed Naam have reedemed their family of five sense- sight, hear, taste, touch smell.

For example: Gyani Ji gives an example- when one's read's gurbani by remembering this verse from gurbani -

Eh Natairo Meraio Har Tumhe Jot Thari, Har Bhin Avar Na Dekho Koi, Har Bhin Avar Na Dekho Koi Nadri Har Nihalaya, Eho Vais Sansar Tum Dekhdai Eho Har Kaa Roop Hai Har Roop Nadri Aya Gurparsadi Bhujaya Ja Vaikha Har Ek Hai Har Bhin Avar Na Koi, Eh Nanak Aie Natair And Sai Satguru Milaie Drib Disht Hoi ||

Then they are able to redeem their senses.

Those who have followed Naam reedem their family of mind. Mind has five brithi(internal senses). 1. Parman Birthi - This sense is whatever you see, hear, smell has direct effect on our mind, causing mind to wander everywhere . 2. Viparjay Birthi- This vision in the mind causes mind to act reverse instead of following gurbani, guru maharaj hakums. 3. Nidh Birthi- This sense causes one sleepy both externally and as well internally sleepy (avidya-ignorance) in terms of failing to adapt knowledge. 4. Vikalap Brithi- This sense cause one greedy. 5. Smrithi Brithi: This sense causes mind to have flows of thoughts coming in when one tries to concentrate on reading prayers.

mannai tarai taaray gur Sikh.

Those who have followed Naam are saved, first Guru are saved then they carries Sikhs across also.

Gyani ji gives an example of siri guru gobind singh ji doing tapayasa in his previous life as Dusth Duman:

Eh Bidh Kart Tapayasa Pio, Dvait taie ek roop ho Gayoo || (Sri Dasam Guru Granth Sahib Ji).

First Guru Ji in his previous life did tapayasa and across the worldy ocean then they take birth as Guru Avtar to make others across this worldy ocean as well.

Then Sikh by grace of guru across the worldy ocean. That Sikh is gurmukh. Gyani ji added:

Gurmukh Kot Udhara Bhaai Dai Naavai Ek Khani ||

mannai naanak bhavahi na bhikh.

Those who have followed Naam, O Nanak, do not wander around begging.

aisaa naam niranjan ho-ay.

Such is the Name of the Immaculate Lord.

jay ko man jaanai man ko-ay. ||15||

Only one who have follow Naam/Guru's discourses in their mind, becomes naami/bhram saroop(embodiment of divine lord).

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Gyani ji does quick recap on japji sahib. He said guru ji gave us adhyatamik vidiya from 1st to 7th pauri(stanza's) in japji sahib followed by Importance of Sarvan(listening), manan(following) from 7 puari onwards. Now this pauri will deal with nidhasan( contemplating on it). Saroop(characteristics) of nidasan is adapting sajati birthiya (virtues) and negating vijati birthiya(non virtues).

panch parvaan

Panch are those who are not stuck in parpanach(world). Their coming and going is not like mere mortals like us.

Such gurmukhs are parvan(accepted) infront of god and they are accepted in all three worlds(lokas).

panch parDhaan

Panch who are free from parpanch(world) are pardhan(head) every where. They have no restrictions impose on them.

Vahiguroo is saravyapak. He does not need any praise however Vahiguroo gives all the praise to his devotee's who come to this earth and spread his message and make them head(pardhan).

Hence, panch parvaan panch parDhaan.

panchay paavahi dargahi maan.

The chosen ones who are free from parpanch(world) are honored in the Court of the Dharamraja.

Gyani ji give example- How dharam raja consider himself such a lucky person and welcomed him when raja janak who was bhramgyani came to visit him and tell him to clear hell(jampur) and send them to heaven. Dharam raja said, i have vahiguroo's order. I cannot do that. Raja Janak said - here on scale weigh my moment of dhyaan of vahiguroo. When dharam raja start doing that, slowly all jampuri(hell) got fully empty.

panchay sohahi dar raajaan.

The chosen ones who are free from parpanch(world)look beautiful in the courts of kings.

Raajan word can be interpertated as plural as well as singular. Raajaan akhar if we look at it from singular context then raajan refers to vishnu who is consider even higher than bhrama and shiv. Even vishnu gets up from his throne to welcome the chosen ones who are free from parpanch(world).

panchaa kaa gur ayk Dhi-aan.

The chosen ones who are free from parpanch(world) meditate single-mindedly on the Guru.

Gursikhs asked Guru Maharaj ji, how did they become paanch(chose ones) and parvan(accepted) and are head(pardha). Guru ji said - they adapt virtues sat(truth), santok(contement), dharami,they also do immense vichar on bhram (God), shabad vichar( discussion on shabad).

Guru ji said narrarated: Panch parvan while giving discourse to his gursikhs.

Gyani ji gives an sakhi to support when paanch asked for something it's get parvan(accepted): This sakhi was nararated by sant baba harnam singh ji rampurkhera wale. He said, every night in the other world- all the sant's get together as a sant mandali and have discussions. It was one of night, he went to other world via transcedental meditation. There was a huge darbar where all the sant mandali was present. There was also Siri Guru Gobind Singh ji present there, Guru Ji asked rishi balmik to go back to earth and spread sikhi. Rishi balmik refused saying, Guru Ji i m afraid to go back again in earth which is full of maya. Then the whole sant mandali along Siri Guru Gobind Singh ji asked again, rishi balmik said i ll go back to this earth to spread sikhi for sake of guru maharaj and sant mandali.


panch parDhaan.

Choosen ones who conquered lust, greed, attachment, ego, anger are pardan/sirimoni(head).

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panchay paavahi dargahi maan.

Choosen ones get honored in court of God, dharam raja, sangat.

Guru Ji says - All the 5 elements (sky, water, air, fire, earth) atributes are present in bhramgyani(choosen ones).

- Bhramgyani is nirdokh(non effected) like sky. Like for example- when people swear at them or beat them bhramgyani's state does not get effected just like how someone spits at the moon, spits comes back on their face..nothing happens to the moon like that nothing happens to bhramgyani even if people give them hard ships.

- Bhramgyani is like clean just like clarity in water.

Gurbani says:

Bhramgyani Nirmal Taie Nirmala Jaisa Maal Na lagaie jala ||

- just how fire has it's attribute of parkash(light), bhramgyani is parkashak roop also.

- Air is nirlaip(without attachment having equal effect) just like that bhramgyani is also nirlaip (without attachment having equal effect on every body.

- Even if one tries to dig the earth, earth has no effect, just like bhramgyani also has no effect even people try to intimidate them.

panchay sohahi dar raajaan

Chosen ones looks beautiful like kings in the world.

Guru Ji said: Bhramgyanis are free from 5 subtle elements: shaabd, saparash, ras, roop, gandh.

Bhramgyanis are free from shaabd (desireful talks).

Bhramgyanis are free from saparash(idiolizing body).

Bhramgyanis are free from ras (getting spark of bliss from materialstic stuff/vishey bhog anand).

Bhramgyanis are free from roop (watching roop - human body made of 5 elements, man made stuff).

Bhramgyanis are free from gandh (smelling fragance).


panchaa kaa gur ayk Dhi-aan.

The chosen ones always meditate single-mindedly on the Guru.

Bhramgyanis always meditate first on charan of Vahiguroo in sargun saroop then gets merged with nirgun saroop.

Then Sidhas yogis asked Guru Ji, please give discourse on yoga abhyas from panch parvan pauri.

Guru Ji said, stop five types of paun, five types of small paun and dhyaan on five different types of concentration.

Five types of paun are Pran, Upan, Saman, Bhyan, Udhayan

Guru ji said, real yogi is person who can can control over pran(breaths), apan(vaoio), Saman (energy exists everywhere), Bhyaan (energy exists in navel chakra) and Udhayn (energy exist in throat chakra). These pauns are connected with mind. If pauns are controlled then mind can be controlled too, also one can enhance their age and be healthy by this practise.. That's why saints recommend to extend your breath while reciting mantar. By extending your breaths, one will get peace and be free from thoughts, upon intensive practise one can control over mind.

Gyani ji gives demonstration- Vaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa (one breath), Hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii(second breath), Guuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu(third breath), Ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu(fourth breath).

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Guru Ji said - Panch parvan which are controlling of five pauns that we discussed earlier.

Guru Ji then said: Panch pardhan.

Then there are five small puans which needs to be controlled by yogis. They are:

1. Karical- to cause sneezing
2. Kooram : to open eye lids
3. Naag: to cause belching/burping
4. Devdut- to cause yawning
5. Dhaniyay to inflate stomach after death

If an yogi can control over these five small pauns. Then yogis becomes panch pardhan and yogis are pardhan yog.

Then Guru Ji said: there are five types of concentration:

1. Kheechri- to be able to wake in sky.
2. Boochari- setting attention in Brahm and be able to have knowledge of each elements on the earth.
3. Charchari- attention always in brahm's excitements and be able to have power of not getting drowned in water.
4. Agoochari - getting free from all the six chakras and going straight to dasam dwara(teenth door).
5. Unmani - last stage of yogis taking breath all the way to tenth door and breaking bhramrandar nari(vein) with force of breath and go straight to Bhram Lok.

Gyani Ji said- when yogis leave their body, on their head(teenth door) one can see there is small spot of blood coming out. That is a indication that this yogis has broken bhramrandar nari(vein) with force of their breath and went straight to bhram lok(realm of bhram) in which they spent quite a bit of time doing transcedental meditation which eventually tran