Thank you Archived_member2 ji,
happy

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~~~**Jap mun Satnaam sda Satnaam...sda satnaam sda satnaam.....~~~

ਕਰਤਾ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਈ ।
No one has seen or known this creator, and rather people have remained indulged in the expansive delusions of prakriti (nature).
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ਸੋਹੰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਛਪਾਇ ਕੈ ਪੜਦਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ਸੁਣਾਈ ।
Not realising that soham parbrahm, the jiv is mistaken in understanding Him as a man (full of fallacies).
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[bhai Gurdas ji]

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Originally Posted by Sikh80 ਕਰਤਾ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਈ । No one has seen or known this creator, and rather people have remained indulged in the expansive delusions of prakriti (nature). Line 5 ਸੋਹੰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਛਪਾਇ ਕੈ ਪੜਦਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ਸੁਣਾਈ । Not realising that soham parbrahm, the jiv is mistaken in understanding Him as a man (full of fallacies). Line 6 [bhai Gurdas ji]

Thanks very much Sikh 80 Ji,


exactly, we are not talking about our Guru as 'MAN'.


Guru is INFINITE..........................So .........Soham Parbrahm


thanks a lot.


BEAUTIFUL, AT LEAST ONE MORE FELLOW AT SPN LIKES RESPECTED BHAI GURDAS JI.

Waheguru

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People who consider their Guru as just another Man-full of fallacies-think about their level.....................

Jaisa Guru Vaisa Chela.



Satguru Sache Patshah Dhan Nirankaar..........

Waheguru

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ਕਰਤਾ ਕਿਨੈ ਨ ਦੇਖਿਆ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਈ ।
No one has seen or known this creator, and rather people have remained indulged in the expansive delusions of prakriti (nature).
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ਸੋਹੰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਛਪਾਇ ਕੈ ਪੜਦਾ ਭਰਮੁ ਕਰਤਾਰੁ ਸੁਣਾਈ ।
Not realising that soham parbrahm, the jiv is mistaken in understanding Him as a man (full of fallacies).
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[bhai Gurdas ji]

these beautiful lines by Bhai Gurdas ji tells us that Karta is Waheguru not Man-this I/Me/He/She......................

Dhan Dhan Gurbani: kar kar vaikhe jaane soi.................

Waheguru

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Nanak ji was created by HIM. So how can Nanak ji be the One who created him.?
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Surinder ji,
I am a new comer to sikhi and am likely to believe that is stated by a senior member like you. I hope you shall only be stating that is true else it is likely to create problems for others. I have stated my position. You may now clarify, when the time permits, if Nanak dev ji was creator. Looks far from reality; but if you are reasonably sure about this you are free to post.

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Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Sache Paatshah De Paavan Bachan:



Panna#2

ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚੁ ਨਾਇ ਭਾਖਿਆ ਭਾਉ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥ ਆਖਹਿ ਮੰਗਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦਾਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਦਾਤਾਰੁ ॥
ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਅਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ ॥ ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥ ਕਰਮੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਪੜਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਏਵੈ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਸਚਿਆਰੁ ॥੪॥

swcw swihbu swcu nwie BwiKAw Bwau Apwru ] (2-3, jpu, mÚ 1)
saachaa saahib saach naa-ay bhaakhi-aa bhaa-o apaar.
True is the Master, True is His Name-speak it with infinite love.
AwKih mMgih dyih dyih dwiq kry dwqwru ] (2-3, jpu, mÚ 1)
aakhahi mangahi dayhi dayhi daat karay daataar.
People beg and pray, "Give to us, give to us", and the Great Giver gives His Gifts.
Pyir ik AgY rKIAY ijqu idsY drbwru ] (2-4, jpu, mÚ 1)
fayr ke agai rakhee-ai jit disai darbaar.
So what offering can we place before Him, by which we might see the Darbaar of His Court?
muhO ik bolxu bolIAY ijqu suix Dry ipAwru ] (2-4, jpu, mÚ 1)
muhou ke bolan bolee-ai jit sun Dharay pi-aar.
What words can we speak to evoke His Love?
AMimRq vylw scu nwau vifAweI vIcwru ] (2-5, jpu, mÚ 1)
amrit vaylaa sach naa-o vadi-aa-ee veechaar.
In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness.
krmI AwvY kpVw ndrI moKu duAwru ] (2-5, jpu, mÚ 1)
karmee aavai kaprhaa nadree mokh du-aar.
By the karma of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found.
nwnk eyvY jwxIAY sBu Awpy sicAwru ]4] (2-6, jpu, mÚ 1)
naanak ayvai jaanee-ai sabh aapay sachiaar. ||4||
O Nanak, know this well: the True One Himself is All. ||4||

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Surinder ji,

Do you confirm that baba Nanak ,born in 1469 in Talwandi and the first guru of sikhs & brother Of Bibi Nanki, was the Creator, the Paratma/God/Lord as stated and referred to in Jap ji Sahib ji by Nanak dev ji.

After this I am not likely to question anything on this thread.

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are you not the Creator??????????


first ask yourself this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! have you ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you out of Ekomkaar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Yes me neechan to vi neech knows ALL IS GOD and GOD IS ALL. AND GURBANI IS STAMPING ON THIS TRUTH OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

And Dhan Dhan all 11 Gurus IS GOD/Nirankaar and ALL.


SABH AAPEY SACHYAAR.................

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