Santokh Veer Ji,
ya after deleting you are requesting me to repost it, you think i am keeping track........ he he........

why did you delete in the first place, was it something inappropreate, please explain.......

thanks

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surinder

Surinder Ji,

You may re-post your message, thank you.

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Santokh Veer, seriously, i dont remember what it was. it is ok now, it is gone, it is gone........... dont worry.

let us be happy...........

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an~halak

ਕਾਦਰੁ ਕਿਨੇ ਨ ਲਖਿਆ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਸਾਜਿ ਕੀਆ ਅਵਤਾਰਾ ।
That creator could not be seen by anyone who to expand Himself created the infinite nature(prakrti).Lin3

The above line is from Bhai Gurdas ji and states clearly that HE cannot be seen by anyone. It is clear that the Vaaran that were read by Maharaj Arjan dev ji had the implicit approval. Thus Guru nanaka dev ji could be the embodiment of the lord and not the Lord Himself.

Further in Gurbani there is a clear cut statement to the effect that any one who states that the creator takes birth will have his tongue burnt.
All this suggests that Guru ji were only embodiment of The lord and were not Lord themselves.

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~~~**Jap mun Satnaam sda Satnaam...sda satnaam sda satnaam.....~~~

Awpxw Awpu aupwieEnu qdhu horu n koeI ] (509-2, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
He created Himself - at that time, there was no other.
mqw msUriq Awip kry jo kry su hoeI ] (509-2, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
He consulted Himself for advice, and what He did came to pass.
qdhu Awkwsu n pwqwlu hY nw qRY loeI ] (509-2, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
At that time, there were no Akaashic Ethers, no nether regions, nor the three worlds.
qdhu Awpy Awip inrMkwru hY nw Epiq hoeI ] (509-3, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
At that time, only the Formless Lord Himself existed - there was no creation.
ijau iqsu BwvY iqvY kry iqsu ibnu Avru n koeI ]1] (509-3, gUjrI kI vwr, mÚ 3)
As it pleased Him, so did He act; without Him, there was no other. ||1||

The above lines also eulogise the All Mighty. It is very clearly stated that HE created HImself. Hence the question the Gurus were God is answered in negation. There is no scope Of any further argument./discussion.

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AKAL MURATI

AKAL MURATI, a composite term comprising akal (nontemporal) and murati (image or form), occurring in the MulMantra, the root formula or fundamental creed of the Sikh faith as recorded at the beginning of theJapu, composition with which the GURU GRANTH Sahib opens, literally means `timeless image`. Elsewhere, in the compositions of Guru Ram Das (GG, 78), and Guru ARJAN (GG, 99, 609, 916 and 1082), the expression Akal Murati reinforces the original meaning of Divine Reality that is beyond the process of time, and yet permeates the cosmic forms. The nontemporal Being transcends the spacetime framework and, as such, is Formless. However, in its manifest aspect, the same Being assumes the cosmic Form. The Sikh vision of God combines the Formless and its expression in natural forms, the transcendent and the immanent, the essence (spirit) and existence (creation). The expression `Akal Murati` lends itself to interpretation in two ways. The exegetes, who treat it as one term, take akal in the adjectival form that qualifies the substantive murati, the whole expression implying Everlasting Form equivalent to the Supreme Being. Those approaching the pair akal and murati severally, treat both the units independently, each expressing an attribute of the Divine Reality, believed to transcend time and space, yet manifest in spaciotemporal forms. But, despite the divergence of approach, both interpretations agree in substance, i.e. the featureless eternal Reality assumes features and modes of empirical existence. To put it differently, `Akal Murati` presents a synthesis of nirgun and sag"un facets of the AbsoluteGod of Guru NANAK`s vision. It however does not embrace the notion of incarnation. Nonincarnation is a basic theological postulate ofSikhism.

AKAL MURATI | The Sikh Encyclopedia

Further Nanak ji does in fit in the category of God as he has at many places stated that he has received the gift Of naam. Naam is given by the Creator.

All this is to clarify that Guru nanak ji were not God/creator/lord though he might have been blessed with Naam.

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Bani Nirankaar Hai Tis Jevad Avar Na Koi.........

Sabh Te Vadda Satguru Nanak..........

Waheguru

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krxI kIriq nwmu vsweI ] (363-3, Awsw, mÚ 3)
Singing the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises, the Naam abides within the mind.

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This is the Bani Of Guru Nanak Dev ji wherein he states that we should do the keertan in HIS praise. It tells us again that Guru ji was not God though he might have merged with HIM.

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