Fear Of God

suriq hovY piq aUgvY gurbcnI Bau Kwie ] (18-3, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
1.Intuitive understanding is obtained and one is welcomed with honor, through the Guru's Word, filled with the Fear of God.

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~~~**Jap mun Satnaam sda Satnaam...sda satnaam sda satnaam.....~~~

Many are Ruined without Fear OF Lord.

fwhpix qin suKu nhI ibnu fr ibxTI fwr ] (933-14, rwmklI dKxI, mÚ 1)
In jealousy, the body is not at peace; without the Fear of God, multitudes are ruined.

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Without Fear of God no devotional worship
BY ibnu Bgiq n hoeI kb hI BY Bwie Bgiq svwrI ]6] (911-3, rwmklI, mÚ 3)
Without the Fear of God, devotional worship is never performed; through the Love and the Fear of God, devotional worship is embellished. ||6||

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Sikh80 Jee!

Quote from your post #31 of this thread "Regarding your observation that Guru sahibs have not said so, the entire thread is full of quotes from SGGS ji."
Perhaps it is the misleading translation. The entire thread is full of those.
The true Guru's Vaaks is ever original Truth.

Quote "Still if you need you may go thru. the 'tuks' as provided.
Naam jap, simran,meditation, Going to Gurudwara and listening to HIS praises are to develop Love for HIM."
Thank God, the true Guru's Vaaks are developing Love for HIM, not fear. I have heard preachers trying to develop fear in listeners.
Does the Guru help developing love but God wants people to live in fear? Are they working against one another?

Quote from your post #32 of this thread "I am providing the following Lines of SGGS ji as a proof as to we should have Fear Of Almighty as an essential ingredient. I do remember that in some of my thread you have quoted this as 'Bakwaas'."

Thanks for referring the wonderful Vaaks from Gurdev.
Bau Kwxw pIxw AwDwru ] (151-11, gauVI, mÚ 1)
Let the Fear of God be your food, drink and support.
ivxu KwDy mir hoih gvwr ]3] (151-11, gauVI, mÚ 1)
Without doing this, the fools simply die. ||3||

I feel the wrong translation may incite blunders. So is the case with the above translation that is Bakwaas.
Bhao eating and Bhao drinking are idiomatic expressions. Those express the opposite meanings. Bhao Khaanaa (eating) means to have fear. Bhao Peena (drinking) means getting rid of fear.
Are the readers sure Bhao means fear like the translators?
In my observation, today's Sikh is a translated Sikh, not the true Guru's Sikh.


Balbir Singh

Keeping Rest aside your posts , as usual, are very informative.Will keep the view posted on your observations.

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suriq hovY piq aUgvY gurbcnI Bau Kwie ] (18-3, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
1.Intuitive understanding is obtained and one is welcomed with honor, through the Guru's Word, filled with the Fear of God.
[kindly check the meaning of the above]

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BY ibnu inrBau ikau QIAY gurmuiK sbid smwie ]1] rhwau ] (18-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
2.Without the Fear of God, how can anyone become fearless? Become Gurmukh, and immerse yourself in the Shabad. ||1||Pause||

[Balbir Ji,
Kindlly check the meaning of this as well.

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jhvw ieMdRI eyku suAwau ] (153-5, gauVI, mÚ 1)
The tongue and the sex organs each seek to taste.
idsit ivkwrI nwhI Bau Bwau ] (153-6, gauVI, mÚ 1)
The eyes which look upon corruption do not know the Love and the Fear of God.
Awpu mwry qw pwey nwau ]2] (153-6, gauVI, mÚ 1)
Conquering self-conceit, one obtains the Name. ||2||
sbid mrY iPir mrxu n hoie ] (153-6, gauVI, mÚ 1)
One who dies in the Word of the Shabad, shall never again have to die.

[Balbir ji,
Kindly check the meaning Of this as well.]

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Sikh80 Jee!

Quote "Kindly check the meaning Of this as well."
In my view, those are out of track.

One who is blessed with true Naam Simran and his conscious mind is growing listens Guru's word and experiences His Wisdom.
Others spend life in reading and searching for its meaning.

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This is what Gurdev is singing in the first Vaak.
ijhvw ieMdRI eyku suAwau ]
"jivhaa indree ayku suaau." SGGS Ang 153-5
Tongue sense has one purpose.

The funny translation provided is 'The tongue and the sex organs each seek to taste'.
May I ask since when sex organ tastes like tongue and the word sense (indree) means sex indree?


Balbir Singh

Dear BalBir ji,
One should not try to distort the Bani. There is warning to this effect in Guru Granth sahib ji as well. It would be advisable for you that you do your home work properly so that you arrive at the meaning correctly. I cannot translate things for you. Please check the meaning at other site before commenting on the forum.It may be quite prejudicial to the interest of others who are learning.
I am not oblidged to make you see the point.

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Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Sikh80 Jee!

Have you also an advice for those who have translated Gurbaanee wrongly by adding their own words and imaginations to explain Guru's words?
Please let me know if you have a purpose to promote particular translations and do not wish readers to know the truth.


Balbir Singh