bani and significance to sikhs

kds1980 · #28 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 19:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi

KDS you are not even worth replying to.

I am a Sikh of My Guru.

Aisa Satgur je miley, sir saunpiye wichon aap jaye. Anand Sahib

Cannot say that you have the same committment.

Explaining anything to the kind of mentality in this forum is like trying to explain to a ten year old What is Orgasm?. You will need considerable growing up to understand it and at the right age and maturity to experience it to really find out.

You cannot even assess the evidence lying in front of you to understand whether some one is playing malice of it is a printing error. And you want to stand in judgement.

First speak about yourself whether you are worth or not.Like a 5 year old kid,How many times you said that I am leaving, i am leaving.Is a person who does not keep his word is worth replying.Last time you were deleting your posts .Now again you are here .First make up your mind whether you want to stay here or not.

simpy · #29 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 20:03 PM

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You spend what you earn. This is not the Moto of a Sikh. Sikhi is not based on you scratch my back and I yours. Just like your plea for forgiveness above. First throw up on somebody and then apologise. This is OK in Sikhism? I wonder.

you have answered your own riddle very beautifully Ek Ji.... tusi kitne anand vich ho tuhadi post is telling about it all so clear............................................. ......

SACH PAKHAND Te ANGER HI LAGDA HUNDA PAKHANDEEAA NU, koi navi gal nahi aakhee tusi mere pyare veer, TRUTH IS ALWAYS BITTER for FALSEHOOD....

and moreover choron ko sabhi nazar aate hain chor...

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Bani is a stepping ladder to the become SAT (Sachiara) remember your Japji Sahib.

Waheguru bhalaa kare Ek Ji, BANI BRAHM HAI, BANI SAT HAI----- IHEE AAD TE ANT HAI............ not a mere step ladder alone. by the way what line of Siri JapJi Sahib you are translating here, dhan tuhadi translation de???????
and Siri Japji Sahib JI Di Bani is for humanity not mine or yours, and if you are referring to my work on SPN under Japji Sahib, please read every word of it, I NEVER CLAIMED BANI TO BE MERELY A STEPPING LADDER...........

EH TO BRAHM BEECHAR hai Ek Ji, gussa thuk ke parmeshvar naal chit no jor ke vekho mere veer, paakhand chchod ke SACH DE GAL LAGGO mere veer....

BANI Guru HAI BANI.....
GUR GUR EKO VES ANEK......

jo sargun te nirgun dono jagah mojood hai oh naad to bahut vaddaa hai, SACH NU PAHCHAANO, BANI DA MAKHOL NA UDAAOO, IT IS NOT GOING TO HELP YOU, THIS IS THE REASON YOU ARE STUCK AT NAAD..........................as i always sound rediculous to you, i know this time again my words are going to hurt you, but remember pain always brings out the most hidden virtue, how long it takes depends on how much filth of koor we have around us and how much we keep on gathering along...............................

AAKHAN AUKHA SAACHA NAO............................................... ..............

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Once you achieve this, Bani becomes redundant for that individual.

Kamaal hi ho gaee tuhaadi ta Ek Ji, Tusi te koi kasar nahi chchaddi beadbi karne di,

1. JEKAR BANI becomes redundant for that individual then (supposidly you are that kind of individual) then why are you even using Gurbani in your comments..................

2. Guru Sahib Ji honored Gurbani and Provided The Taj of GURU to this Ultimate Truth..... why!!!!!! ..... a very important thing to contemplate on......................

3. You yourself say that you are your Guru's Sevak, so for you Guru(what ever/whoever is your Guru) must have become redundant after honorable you have used it/him/her........................................

4. redundant means something that have no value, WHO IS YOUR GUIDE BY THE WAY WHO IS GOING BOTH WAYS: Bani sat vi hai te Bani will become redundant, SAT DI DEFINITION TA--- AKKAL/KARTA/TIMELESS......hai, SAT KAD TO TIME ORIENTED HO GYA, even on scholarly basis your argument is shallow.....................because marda ta oh hai jo time oriented hai................SURPRISE SURPRISE...................

5. History tells us that Gurbani was sung in Guru Ji's Darbaar all the time, why Dhan Dhan Guru Sahibaan did that, why were they listening or reciting the Sat after being merged with the Sat...................... YOU KNOW WHY BECAUSE THEY ARE IN ANAND, AND MORE AND MORE AMRIT BARSADAA HAI AFTERWARDS............ DROP SAMUNDAR CH SAMA KE, APNAA APAA BHUL KE PARMESVAR CH MAGAN HO KE BANI HI UCHARDAA HAI, AND ONCE AGAIN BANI IS NOT LIMITED TO JUST POETRY FORM, IT IS APAAR/SAT/BRAHM/NIRANKAAR (which you did say you agree with)............................................. ..............

6. your words

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Have you experienced this? I have.

contradict what you are saying about redundancy of Gurbani, because all i humbly talked about was hearing/seeing.../.././ Dhan Dhan Gurbani, if you are experiencing it as you claim, then HOW IT IS REDUNDANT TO YOU............. why are you giving it any importance to something that is redundant, because you feel and experience the TRUE LOVE- THE SAT- PARKASH- PARMESHWAR- GURBANI - BRAHM --- --- ---: which are all the same ONE- EK ONKAAR............................................ ....

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That is my precisely why I challenge some people on this site. I have done that several times to you in the past. But do you learn? No.

Veer EkMUSAFIR AJNABI ji you should do vichar on this statement of yours, your 'NO' must tell you something, your statements are always strongly contradicting the TRUTH written in DHAN DHAN DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI- the ULTIMATE DHAN DHAN TRUTH.....................and then you start manipulating others words, how can that effect in any positive way............... Jo vee Bani de contact ch hai, for them all your statements wash off right away with DHAN DHAN GURBANI, hazoor Ek Ji..........................

SACH TA PUR JAANEEAY JE RIDAY SACHAA HOI...............................

Dhan Dhan Sache Patshah Siri Guru Amar Das Ji De Paavan Bachan :

Nanak Tin Ki Bani Sadaa Sach Hai Je Naam Rahe Liv Laaey.....

so Gurbani which is Guru is Sach for ever, What is forever!!!!!!!! i guess all sikhs at least know this truth- aad sach jugaad sach....................... and the SACH IS 'THE ONLY ONE' .............main neech is speechless

me neech is humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness once again EK JI...... he he

i know these words of me neech hurt you a lot BUT THIS IS MY WAY OF LIVING veer mere, WAHEGURU DI KIRPA NAAL BARA HEE ANAND HAI IS VICH, KITE APNE AAP NU 10 MINUTE/10 hours/10 din LAEE IS CONDITION CH LYAA KE DEKHNA SACHE HIRDE NAAL(NO PAKHAND IS ALLOWED he he)...... MAIN NEECH KEE KEH SAKDEE HA IS DA ANAND........

BTW this is my last post during this time period........

Aad Ji, thanks for Gurbani Shabad, i been reciting that since i woke up this morning, and then i saw your post, beautiful, anand aa gya....................

Santokh veer atma kadee old nahee hundee, relation stays fresh all the time .........................................

humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness
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Astroboy · #30 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 20:48 PM

Surinder Ji has made peace with herself and it reflects in her soothing words. Her expression on Gurbani and the meanings given by her is entirely her level of consciousness. We all go thru different levels of spiritual unfoldment in various stages and it is natural to find contradicting meanings, some in harmony with us and some not.

Sikh80 · #31 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 23:13 PM

Respected Namjap ji,

Gurbani discards slandering in almost all forms. It also guides us as to how we should speak.

mMdw iksY n AwKIAY piV AKru eyho buJIAY ] (473-13, Awsw, mÚ 1)
Do not call anyone bad; read these words, and understand.
5.
nwnk iPkY boilAY qnu mnu iPkw hoie ] (473-14, Awsw, mÚ 1)
O Nanak, speaking insipid words, the body and mind become insipid.
iPko iPkw sdIAY iPky iPkI soie ] (473-14, Awsw, mÚ 1)
He is called the most insipid of the insipid; the most insipid of the insipid is his reputation.
iPkw drgh stIAY muih Qukw iPky pwie ] (473-14, Awsw, mÚ 1)
The insipid person is discarded in the Court of the Lord, and the insipid one's face is spat upon.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/18495-bani-and-significance-to-sikhs.html

jo jIie hoie su augvY muh kw kihAw vwau ] (474-11, Awsw, mÚ 2)
Whatever is in the mind, comes forth; spoken words by themselves are just wind.

hir jn aUqm aUqm bwxI muiK bolih praupkwry ] (493-4, gUjrI, mÚ 4)
The humble servants of the Lord are exalted, and exalted is their speech. With their mouths, they speak for the benefit of others.

There are many other lines that describe the 'speech' of a seeker/sikh .

Sikh80 · #32 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 23:23 PM

Respected namjap ji,

I could get the following lines regarding Slandering.There are many other

sMq kY dUKin Awrjw GtY ] (279-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18495
Slandering the Saints, one's life is cut short.
sMq kY dUKin jm qy nhI CutY ] (279-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, one shall not escape the Messenger of Death.
sMq kY dUKin suKu sBu jwie ] (279-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, all happiness vanishes.
sMq kY dUKin nrk mih pwie ] (279-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, one falls into hell.
sMq kY dUKin miq hoie mlIn ] (279-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18495
Slandering the Saints, the intellect is polluted.
sMq kY dUKin soBw qy hIn ] (279-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, one's reputation is lost.
sMq ky hqy kau rKY n koie ] (279-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
One who is cursed by a Saint cannot be saved.
sMq kY dUKin Qwn BRstu hoie ] (279-16, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, one's place is defiled.

Randip Singh · #33 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 23:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ekmusafir_ajnabi

KDS you are not even worth replying to.

I am a Sikh of My Guru.

Aisa Satgur je miley, sir saunpiye wichon aap jaye. Anand Sahib

Cannot say that you have the same committment.

Explaining anything to the kind of mentality in this forum is like trying to explain to a ten year old What is Orgasm?. You will need considerable growing up to understand it and at the right age and maturity to experience it to really find out.

You cannot even assess the evidence lying in front of you to understand whether some one is playing malice of it is a printing error. And you want to stand in judgement.

I am a Sikh of OUR (not just my) Guru.

As Sikhs we have the right to agree and disagree with one another.

Your attacks on Sikh80 and other members are unwarranted and that is why you have been rebuked.

You have been bettered by others on discussion on Bani. Individuals who have humility and a clear concience.

Accept it.

Learn.

Move On.

If you do not, you will continue to carry such malice and hatred in your heart.

Astroboy · #34 (**permalink**) 15-Dec-2007, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Sikh80

Respected namjap ji,

I could get the following lines regarding Slandering.There are many other

sMq kY dUKin Awrjw GtY ] (279-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, one's life is cut short.
sMq kY dUKin jm qy nhI CutY ] (279-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, one shall not escape the Messenger of Death.
sMq kY dUKin suKu sBu jwie ] (279-14, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, all happiness vanishes.
sMq kY dUKin nrk mih pwie ] (279-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, one falls into hell.
sMq kY dUKin miq hoie mlIn ] (279-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, the intellect is polluted.
sMq kY dUKin soBw qy hIn ] (279-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, one's reputation is lost.
sMq ky hqy kau rKY n koie ] (279-15, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
One who is cursed by a Saint cannot be saved.
sMq kY dUKin Qwn BRstu hoie ] (279-16, gauVI suKmnI, mÚ 5)
Slandering the Saints, one's place is defiled.

If one is true to one's self, then one will be filled with the Divine Virtues:
(http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/spirit...jewel-2-a.html)

Divine Virtues

It is the divine qualities that make man a gentle or a noble man and enable a person to become great.
Cheerfulness stands high among these. As a flower spreads its freshness and fragrance all round in the atmosphere, a smile on man's face cheer up the spirit of others who come in his sphere. Thus, a cheerful man does silent service to others.
Tolerance and patience too are sterling qualities. They give to man's mind the strength of steel. Like the seat-cushions or the buffer springs, they work as shock-absorbers in life. One who has these can withstand great hardships and bumps.
Sweetness of language and temper is another great virtue. One who discerns only the good qualities of others, is a man of great merit. As a bee collects sweetness from flowers, so does a man who has an eye for others' merits, gather good points, and he himself also becomes a store of sweetness like a honey-comb.
Humility is another high quality. One who thinks himself to be a humble man, is considered by others to be a great man or a saint. A king, wearing a crown rules over his kingdom only, but a man having humility, though without a crown, is a king in his own right; his kingdom knows not the barriers of territory or time, for he rules over the hearts of men of all ages.
Fearlessness saves man from worries and suspicion that cause pain, as much as a person being hanged on the gallows feels. Thus, he lives a carefree life as against a coward who, as the saying goes, dies many times before death.
Contentment is of very great merit. A man who is contented is richer than the wealthiest man in the world, for he is not riding the wild horse of unfulfilled wishes. He considers God's knowledge as so many gems being showered on him by God, and looks upon his righteous actions and his yoga as the great treasure.
Self-confidence is undeniably a very great task. It is this that enables man to consider a mountain as a molehill whereas one who lacks in this quality looks upon a molehill as a mountain.
Straightforwardness enables man to fit better in society. People do not have to be afraid of his intrigues or his tricks. On the other hand, a crooked man is like that nail or a peg which has many bends.
Again, service to others and the spirit of sacrifice are qualities that make a man truly great and happy.These and many other divine virtues come naturally to anyone who practices meditation as he/she establishes a link with God who is the perennial source of these.

Sikh80 · #35 (**permalink**) 15-Dec-2007, 09:07 AM

Do do ...dittoo................namjapji...verywell said and compiled.

Sikh80 · #36 (**permalink**) 15-Dec-2007, 18:46 PM

1.Bani/Sachi Bani
siqgur kI bwxI siq siq kir jwxhu gurisKhu hir krqw Awip muhhu kFwey ] (308-5, gauVI, mÚ 4)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18495
O GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it.

2. Naam thru. Gurbani
gur kI bwxI nwim vjwey ] (362-11, Awsw, mÚ 3)
Through the Word of the Guru's Bani, the Naam resounds;

3. Remain in Self
inrml bwxI inj Gir vwsw ] (362-18, Awsw, mÚ 3)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18495
Through the Immaculate Bani of the Word, the mortal dwells within the home of his own inner self.