Goal of Human Life

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Goal Of Human Life
To contemplate such a question is beyond arrogance. Some riddles are best left unsolved. This is well beyond You and I.

Man's creation could not have been meaningless.
Explain? You seem sure of this. For me, Meaning is what you make of it.

There are three parts to man - the body, the mind, and the soul.
The former two entities may just be synonymous.

Man regards himself as a separate entity because of egoism. When the wall of egoism is broken man realizes his identity with God.
If god created everything then god created ego and then ego must also have a purpose or goal or value. Ego should be an entity equally respected, if it is truly god that created man.

According to Sikhism, the individual soul has arrived to the human form after going through innumerable cycles of birth and death.
According to Sikhism we are always required to wear a kachera.

The goal of human life is, to try, to integrate the individual personality with God.
A task complete with incomprehensibility.



Im going to leave you with a quote:

God created man, but man returned the favour

cheers brethren.

Hi Sinister ji,
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Ssa,

Nice to see your post. I am reminded of a poem titled 'Man - a perfect Blunder of God'. I shall post it if I can lay my hands on. But the poem is written in a very sentimental and emotional manner. In normal course it is likely to make one sad. Likewise some posts that contain some element of dejection can always be detected and make other feel low.
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All the Best to All.

Meaning is what you make out of it. If your implying life has an objective meaning (such as God gave us all one unified meaning), except to reproduce, I fail to see it (as does the scientific community).


Two of these parts have a thorough scientific understanding. The "Soul" can either be defined as the "mind" or "non-existant". My question to you is .. how do you know that following a strict moral discipline will result in a "happy / better" soul ? Maybe its the exact opposite, maybe the epiphany some elder person had on-top of a mountain about how to control societies was wrong. I have written and logical answers on how to keep your mind and body healthy and better, which generally increases your life (in terms of quantity -- quality is always subjective, we're referring to things that have objective control, god).

Let's take for example the act of pre-marital sex, which is usually against any strict moral discipline. You claim this act effects the soul, and that God is watching over your every move, and you will face the consequences of it. What are the consequences of such an act (if you remove the variable of an "all-watcher" god)) ? Do people get lonely or sad when eventually the tie or relationship breaks, does that mean that your soul aches/hurts ? Yes, but isn't this more related to the mind's dependence for interaction with another human for happiness, and related to your body's normal functions?

To sum it up, I fail to see how following a strict moral guideline enhances your soul. These aren't my personal views or what I hold important, I lead a "moral-ful" life due to other reasons, not to enhance my soul or because I'm scared of the all-watcher. Whereas, following a healthy diet, and education enhances your body and mind, respectively. One has proof, the other does not, and can never will (FAITH!).

Seems strict moral discipline and hide it behind the cover of God was used by leaders to keep power.

Human kind will always exponentially increase in population. Does this mean that God is allowing more "souls" attempts to break the cycle of life and death? Religious observers argue that our society today has less morals than previous ones, does that mean that these souls are failing, yet God continues to create more? Is ego not a byproduct of the image that God created us in ? Why is it the age of Kaljug, if God is creating more human souls than ever before, maybe God wants it to be this way, maybe we're on the right path and God is rewarding us with more souls and opportunities to break the vicious cycle?

How does God have a "destiny" for man if we were not created, and we were a byproduct of evolution? Evolution will continue, and something will eventually replace the human species. IF you were to argue that "evolution is millions of years in our time but a blink for god" then why did he waste all the other souls of animals prior to creating the human? Better yet, if he has a destiny, and he created us, why will we eventually be replaced? Your argument against man being obsessed with materialistic things can be changed the other way, why are certain men totally obsessed with things they can't see or feel the need to have an all-watcher around them? What leads a better life ? Isn't that subjective, for you to answer, your assuming you have figured out the madness that is God, but yet you say he's incomprehensible...

Life is like a game of cards, but no one is peering over your shoulder. Cards has no destiny or faith. A game of cards relies on strict probability. The cards are given to the player; it is up to the player to play well, badly, wisely or foolishly. The rest is random probability. Human life is just that, human life.

To claim the goal of human life is spiritual attainment is a pretty bold statement. One that is beyond our realm of intelligence, and is one that we will always have to accept as such -- there is no answer to it.

Dear friend ,

I think that one can analyse the goal of life from two angles :


1.within the periphery of Sikhism and sprituality.

and

2. The second being as a Human being who knows nothing about what was there before the Birth and what it would be after the death.

If one makes an assumption to follow the second route ,it is felt that one will feel lost and shall not be able to rationally think as to who we are and why we are here and where will we be going after death. In the second stage there is no answer. One will be driven insane if one accepts the second proposition. It would be toatlly illogical. I am not saying as a protagonist of sikhi but as a ordinary human being. In this state one will be required to take the bearings. One will have to establish the value system for one self and one may go weird in this procees. Having no faith to recourse to it is difficult to have an objective view point of anything. It is only when we identify with something that is established and fairly stable that one gets some comfort.

The point of view as per the sl.1 is fairly well known. i.e.
GOBIND MILAN KEY EH TERI BARIA......................

The Gurus believed that this life has a purpose and a goal. It offers an opportunity for self and God realization. Moreover man is responsible for his own actions. He cannot claim immunity from the results of his actions. He must therefore be very vigilant in what he does. Finally, the Sikh Scripture (Sri Guru Granth Sahib) is the perpetual Guru. This is the only religion that has given the Holy Book the status of a religious preceptor. There is no place for a living human Guru (Dehdhari) in Sikh religion.

Sikhism emphasizes Bhakti Marg or the path of devotion. It does, however, recognizes the limited value of Gyan Marg(Path of Knowledge) and Karam Marg(Path of Action) [2]. It also lays stress on the need for earning God's Grace in order to reach the spiritual goal. Sikh has the right to action but not to its results as the latter is dependent upon HIS grace. One should persuade himself that fruits of action i.e achieving salvation as per the teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and assume that the result simply does not exist. Sikh should not desire any fruits and neither should he grow disillusioned with action. In any case one would get the results of Karmas in the next births/Incarnations as per the edict contained in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. On a macro level a seeker has a right to action as per the teachings, but not to its fruits. At the same time seeker/aspirant/sikh ought not to lose faith that results in doubts and duality in the performance of the duties. In other words, he should be constantly and devotedly engaged in its performance of praise of lord and devotion durimg the service of the Almighty. It has been stated that worship of the lord /worship of the one God is the only worthwhile action. The human body is meant for worship of God is pointed at more than one places in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
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1.siqguir syivAY nwmu min vsY ivchu BRmu Bau BwgY ] (590-10, vfhMsu, mÚ 3)
[Serving the True Guru, the Naam comes to abide in the mind, and doubts and fears run away.]


2.hir hir nwmu AvKdu muiK pwieAw jn nwnk suiK vsMqI ]4]12]62] (625-2, soriT, mÚ 5)

[The Lord, Har, Har, has placed the medicine of the Naam into my mouth; servant Nanak abides in peace. ]
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E&OE.

Hello Sikh80

I'd love to read it. I've always been a fan of poetic philosophy.
maybe i could find it...but who's the author?


cheers










Hello SIKH
nice discourse and analysis
well I obviously agree with you.

cheers

My dear Siny.,

I shall post it as and when I find it. But dear friend why do you feel so low. Life will always be like this whether U r 27 or 37.
have faith in HIM.





That is all. Leave everything to HIM. He has to take care Of us. If HE cannot, HE is not He but only a he.

If the there are three parts to man/woman - mind body and soul, how does Miri - Piri sit in this? or Shakti and Bhagti?

i dont feel low, but im not against feeling low considering its one of those natural human emotions that enriches our life.

could you imagine being happy all the time?t

Yes, enrichment of soul is the only benefit that we have on this earth. If one does not feel low one should not feel the need of enrichment as one who is satisfied can never feel low,.
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Regads.
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