Goal of Human Life

Randip Singh · #21 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 00:48 AM

I think after reading these posts I don't think I wish to be a Saint who is perfect and has no imperfections......I hope and aim to be an ordinary man who realises that he has imperfection!

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Narayanjot Kaur · #22 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 04:35 AM

Randip ji

This is not Gurmat, but addresses your point.

Water which is too pure has no fish.
Ts'ai Ken T'an

We remember that the Sikh understanding of dharma, karma and re-incarnation does not despise the real world, person, events. Vanishing into nothingness contradicts our understanding that God is also an Immanent God in the world which is His Creation.

Sikh80 · #23 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 09:10 AM

Sorry for interruption,

Do you really think that we can seek HIM? Obviously for me it is an ideal only. One can lead a life so that one is contended and his existence is of some use to the society/nature in general.At some places, Gurbani states that one should remember HIM on 24* 7 format. This may not be feasible plus It also states that there will be only a one in 10millions who really appreciates/follows the teachings of Gurmat. What do you feel .

Sikh80 · #24 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 20:48 PM

Respected aad ji, SSA

I should not have put this question. It is infringment of the right to personal freedom. I withdraw this question.

Just sharing with you, In the katha by Sant Maskeen ji, he stated that even if we get nothing by doing all that we do we get a lot in the form that with the passage of time during our practice of mantra/bani we are likely to develop a faith in HIM and as a consequence love and devotion as well. The fear of Lord follows. Even if the entire life time practice does not bring tangible resultsin the form of 'jog' one's labour will not go waste as the seeker/devotee will be benefitted with these fringe rewards and these would be very helpful in spiritual pursuits.

Archived_Member5 · #25 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 23:58 PM

The evolution of man, has been non eventful since his creation. for man to evolve he mustshed his sinful inclinations in the form of the seven deadly sins. Once cleansed he becomes pure and is thereby eligible to join the great universal spirit of the world. Since the sin of the creators first man, Adam, and his experimental fornication with the animals, resulting in introducing animal nature, in the form of the aforementioned sins into humanity, the human race has been waging war, with battle after battle, to cleanse humanity of sin and re-enter the heavenly state of sahej, heaven or the universal spirit and be freed form the shackles and bondage of life after death after life. never learning, never growing, merely being born to die, only to be recast into this world again. Religion's are that path to the great evolution of man and humanity. That is the meaning of life. To live in peace, and peaceable be towards your fellow humanity. We canb only be this tranquile serene and peacable when we are non toxic, toxicity of the body caused ny anger, greed, lus etc...corrupts and renders man very susceptible to tempation and sinfulness. That is lifes battle. Some have maturity and understanding sufficient to live upstabding noble lives. Other's turn to religion as their guide and path. The end is the cleansed mind body and soul. being righteous and pure to enter into the Waheguru's supreme spirit. That is All.

Archived_Member5 · #26 (**permalink**) 15-Dec-2007, 00:07 AM

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Originally Posted by randip singh

I think after reading these posts I don't think I wish to be a Saint who is perfect and has no imperfections......I hope and aim to be an ordinary man who realises that he has imperfection!

Thge beautu and the deep sincere and true humility of the god imbued soul is that, to not seek but gain contentment, and your happiness from each and every moment and thing in the world and your life.

Archived_Member5 · #27 (**permalink**) 15-Dec-2007, 00:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sikh80

Respected aad ji, SSA

I should not have put this question. It is infringment of the right to personal freedom. I withdraw this question.

Just sharing with you, In the katha by Sant Maskeen ji, he stated that even if we get nothing by doing all that we do we get a lot in the form that with the passage of time during our practice of mantra/bani we are likely to develop a faith in HIM and as a consequence love and devotion as well. The fear of Lord follows. Even if the entire life time practice does not bring tangible resultsin the form of 'jog' one's labour will not go waste as the seeker/devotee will be benefitted with these fringe rewards and these would be very helpful in spiritual pursuits.

True freedom is to be free of evil and vile inclinations, thoughts and deeds, to be pure in mind body and spirit. Never fear.

Archived_Member5 · #28 (**permalink**) 15-Dec-2007, 00:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sikh80

Sorry for interruption,

Do you really think that we can seek HIM? Obviously for me it is an ideal only. One can lead a life so that one is contended and his existence is of some use to the society/nature in general.At some places, Gurbani states that one should remember HIM on 24* 7 format. This may not be feasible plus It also states that there will be only a one in 10millions who really appreciates/follows the teachings of Gurmat. What do you feel .

The great mahatma Waheguru is an allpervading spirit that at times has taken human form, Waheguru Nanak Ji. His supreme spirit comes to reside within those good godly and noble souls resulting in their hearts and minds being imbued with wisdom, knowledge of all things, his love for humanity, and loathing for all things impure that lead do the desecration of the human soul.

Archived_Member5 · #29 (**permalink**) 15-Dec-2007, 00:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Sinister

i accept the second route and im not insane. How do you explain that?
Not only I but A huge population accept the second route and they form some of the most culturally rich countries in the world.

Your logic is misguided because you have internalized religious propaganda. Humanism for me has all the answers, just like sikhism has all the answers for you (a position that should be equally respected...rather than labelling someone else is beleifs as agents of insanity). In humanism the part where you cannot conjure answers you simply state; "i do not know" instead of manufacturing a god. Your development of morality is independant of your belief in God.

Have you ever heard of altruism? If you study human social evolution you would know that doing "the right thing" is rational and is just one of many factors in human evolution.
Altruism: The selfless concern for the welfare of others.

let me show you a video
YouTube - An Atheist's 10 Commandments

and if your primary reason for turning to religion is for "comfort"...then that is well and good. I personally turn to my love for family and freinds and gardening for comfort, not religion. In fact whenever I examine religion I feel the least comfortable, all it can effectively achieve is to wind me up with more questions. especially when i start to read bani.

cheers

Some are Jiwan Mukhats those who gain the heavenly state of sahej, peace and are totally in harmony with the surrounding world in all its myriads forms and hues. have reconciled their will to gods will, iether through understanding of the ways of the world or as a surrender of their spirit to whatever is ordained in their lifetimes. To love, be able to love the world and humanity becasue you have gained gods spirit, or submitted to his will, Th eformer is an ascended soul, the latter a devout and firm believer even though he does not always understand, he believee in the creator doing so, and the ineffable and the limits of his power in these darkened times of Kalyug, when the posioned whispers of his global child, unwittingly wound him in thei debying of him. 'Muh se bolan boliye,
jit sun dare pyar.'

Huck_Finn · #30 (**permalink**) 15-Dec-2007, 07:20 AM

goal of human life is certainly not to debate the goal of life