Naam Japna

International Akali ji,
SSA
welcome to the forum bhai sahib.
Thanks for putting your view point on the bani of the Bahgats. You have very rightly put your view .Your reply is very illumininating and we shall interact more frequently when you are able to spend more time with us here.

I had replied Mr.Randip ji in the following manner[vide link=36]

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Bani of Granth sahib Maharaj ji contains the Bani of Nanaks/Gurus and the saints. The entire bani when clubbed under the head of 'Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji' is called as ‘sabad –guru’. The ‘sabad guru’ thus includes the Bani of the saints [to the extent that is included in the Granth sahib ji] and Guru sahibs. The extent of bani of these saints that is included in Granth sahib ji also forms the part of ‘sabad-guru’ and is worthy of as much respect as is the other bani of Guru sahibaan.

I am no one [and so are you] to philosophize as to why only this much portion of the bani of saints is included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and why not the entire bani of the saints have been taken in ‘sabad- guru’ nor should I bother about that part of the Bani of the saints that is not included in the Granth sahib ji.It is also stated that I have fair supposition that all the saints whose bani is recorded in Granth sahib ji Maharaj were having a very high spiritual level that they had their dasam dwar opened. All Of the saints were said to be in communion with Almighty. They were Souls of higher level."[unquote ]
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/18394-naam-japna.html

Your post is ,ofcourse, very nicely worded on account of your wider exposure to Bani. WE have to learn many things from you and shall be seeking guidance as and when you are available.

Warm Regards.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
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International Akaali ji,
I also hope you find more time to speak on these subjects in the future. You teach in a very clear way.

Not to anyone individually, but just my personal reaction
How the bani were recorded in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj is a matter of historical fact not a matter of philosophy. And that is that. The conversations of Guru Arjan Dev ji, Bhai Gurdas, the others were not recorded-- so we cannot know their thinking, their philosophy, or how the jyote of the Guru found its way to influence the final decision. And perhaps that is a good thing. Otherwise squabbling would never end.

The works of the baghats and sants that are not included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib may be of high spiritual quality. So too may be some of the poetry of other Hindu and Buddhist spirits over centuries. There are those that speak of the Divine Consciousness and our relationship with Divine Consciousness in a way that is compatible with Sikhi. However, these works were not the Guru when Gobind Singh ji proclaimed where to find Guruji. They are works that lie outside of the Shabd Guru. Such sants, baghats, poets can lift us up, and we benefit when we read them. But they speak outside of the Shabd of the Guru.

Akali ji your post on Naam is awaited.

Naam literally means, the Name.


kindly follow the link for elaboration.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394

This Essence / Naam / Sabad / Logus is formless, colourless, and featureless but, as said, is present in all creation. There is no plant, no creature, in what it is not. The Earth and other heavenly bodies exist because there is Naam in this universe and when God withdraws this Naam from this Universe, there is natural calamities (Parloh / Mahaparloh) all over the universe and this is the time that the universe perishes and all the living creatures perish. Being so, the Essence can’t be seen or visualised by the mind. We can see only the physical dimension of Reality in God’s Creation – mountains, plants, trees, creatures etc. Thus the Outer Shell of Reality holds us (the appearances delude us) and we cannot penetrate deeper to experience the all pervading Reality. The physical dimensions of Reality (the outer shell) is always in flux; it keeps changing. While birth, death, creation, destruction etc. occur in the physical dimensions of creation, the Essence, being Sat (Sat-Naam) never changes, it transcends space and time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satnam

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t.b.cont

What is the purpose of repeating Paath over and over again if you don’t understand it? Is Nam Simran (saying Waheguru repeatedly) more important than reading Gurbani? Which one is more useful in our life and why?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
(a) Reciting Paath:
:Our mind knows what is right and what is wrong but still it leads us to do wrong things. How can one be saved if the person himself chooses the path? (Page 1376 Guru Granth Sahib)

“I must also know what I read.” When he knows what he reads, he will start practicing it, making his own life happy and spreading happiness around him.