Naam Japna

Randip Singh · #31 (**permalink**) 12-Dec-2007, 18:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sikh80

Dear Randip jeo,
ssa,
It is for the third time that you have forced this upon me to comment upon as to why something has been done by Guru sahibaans. I am forced to comment upon as per that I think is correct. You may kindly get the answer from someone else. I refuse to entertain your kiddish request.

This is not kiddish. Not intellectualism but something I want your view on. I am not trying to catch you out.

My opinion is that if we follow only the Bani of Bhagats that is not Sikhi...........Sikhi finds the common threads of Bhagats and highlights those.

Do you agree with this or do you think Bani of Bhagats is the same as Sikhi?

Sikh80 · #32 (**permalink**) 12-Dec-2007, 19:03 PM

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Originally Posted by randip singh

This is not kiddish. Not intellectualism but something I want your view on. I am not trying to catch you out.

My opinion is that if we follow only the Bani of Bhagats that is not Sikhi...........Sikhi finds the common threads of Bhagats and highlights those.

Do you agree with this or do you think Bani of Bhagats is the same as Sikhi?

Dear Randip ji,
Kindly re-phrase your question.It is not clear as to on which you want me to opine.

Randip Singh · #33 (**permalink**) 12-Dec-2007, 19:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Sikh80

Dear Randip ji,
Kindly re-phrase your question.It is not clear as to on which you want me to opine.

Ok we know the Bhagats had other Bani's that were not included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji......yes?

My question is that if we otally followed one of these Bhagat Bani's totally, is that the same as Sikhi?

Sikh80 · #34 (**permalink**) 12-Dec-2007, 19:37 PM

Having no reply from your side I am posting the reply to your question as I could interpret. If you still want to know something please feel free to post the query.
Bani of Granth sahib Maharaj ji contains the Bani of Nanaks/Gurus and the saints. The entire bani when clubbed under the head of 'Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji' is called as ‘sabad –guru’. The ‘sabad guru’ thus includes the Bani of the saints [to the extent that is included in the Granth sahib ji] and Guru sahibs. The extent of bani of these saints that is included in Granth sahib ji also forms the part of ‘sabad-guru’ and is worthy of as much respect as is the other bani of Guru sahibaan.

I am no one [and so are you] to philosophize as to why only this much portion of the bani of saints is included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and why not the entire bani of the saints have been taken in ‘sabad- guru’ nor should I bother about that part of the Bani of the saints that is not included in the Granth sahib ji.It is also stated that I have fair supposition that all the saints whose bani is recorded in Granth sahib ji Maharaj were having a very high spiritual level that they had their dasam dwar opened. All Of the saints were said to be in communion with Almighty. They were Souls of higher level.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/18394-naam-japna.html

In the end I shall re-iterate as follows:

The sikhs bear the followings:
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394

Gurbani is jewel:

Gurbani is the jewel, the treasure of devotion. Singing, hearing and acting upon it, one is enraptured. ||2|| (page 376)
Hold your mind steady while reciting Bani:
Under Guru’s Instructions, hold your mind steady; O my soul, do not let it wander anywhere. One who utters the Bani of the Praises of the Lord God, O Nanak, obtains the fruits of his heart’s desires. ||1|| (p538)
Focus one’s mind on the True Lord:
When the Lord shows His Mercy, He enjoins the mortal to work for the Guru. His pains are taken away, and the Lord’s Name comes to dwell within. True deliverance comes by focusing one’s consciousness on the True Lord. Listen to the Shabad, and the Word of the Guru’s Bani. ||1|| (p1277) [1]

[1]

Bani - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.

E&OE

Sikh80 · #35 (**permalink**) 12-Dec-2007, 19:39 PM

Hope it satisfies and confirm so that I move out to have a cup of tea as it is almost past seven in the evening and I am glued to comp. for more than an hour to attend to your question.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
regards

Sikh80 · #36 (**permalink**) 12-Dec-2007, 19:43 PM

Ok.Sir, I shall check tomorrow morning.

Randip Singh · #37 (**permalink**) 12-Dec-2007, 19:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Sikh80

Having no reply from your side I am posting the reply to your question as I could interpret. If you still want to know something please feel free to post the query.
Bani of Granth sahib Maharaj ji contains the Bani of Nanaks/Gurus and the saints. The entire bani when clubbed under the head of 'Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji' is called as ‘sabad –guru’. The ‘sabad guru’ thus includes the Bani of the saints [to the extent that is included in the Granth sahib ji] and Guru sahibs. The extent of bani of these saints that is included in Granth sahib ji also forms the part of ‘sabad-guru’ and is worthy of as much respect as is the other bani of Guru sahibaan.

I am no one [and so are you] to philosophize as to why only this much portion of the bani of saints is included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and why not the entire bani of the saints have been taken in ‘sabad- guru’ nor should I bother about that part of the Bani of the saints that is not included in the Granth sahib ji.It is also stated that I have fair supposition that all the saints whose bani is recorded in Granth sahib ji Maharaj were having a very high spiritual level that they had their dasam dwar opened. All Of the saints were said to be in communion with Almighty. They were Souls of higher level.

In the end I shall re-iterate as follows:

The sikhs bear the followings:

Gurbani is jewel:

Gurbani is the jewel, the treasure of devotion. Singing, hearing and acting upon it, one is enraptured. ||2|| (page 376)
Hold your mind steady while reciting Bani:
Under Guru’s Instructions, hold your mind steady; O my soul, do not let it wander anywhere. One who utters the Bani of the Praises of the Lord God, O Nanak, obtains the fruits of his heart’s desires. ||1|| (p538)
Focus one’s mind on the True Lord:
When the Lord shows His Mercy, He enjoins the mortal to work for the Guru. His pains are taken away, and the Lord’s Name comes to dwell within. True deliverance comes by focusing one’s consciousness on the True Lord. Listen to the Shabad, and the Word of the Guru’s Bani. ||1|| (p1277) [1]

[1]

Bani - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.

E&OE

Ok so I won't get an answer from you. Just say so instead of skating round the topic.

Everyone including YOU is entitled to an opinion, you do not wish to share it fair enough.

For me Bani of Bhagats not in Sri Guru Granth sahib ji does not constitute Sikhi.

PS Enjoy your tea................and please don't call me sir. We are Sikh and are all equals.

Sikh80 · #38 (**permalink**) 12-Dec-2007, 19:52 PM

Does it really matter?Sir,.
It matters a little as to what we believe about the rest of the Bani of the saints.

I am student of physics, I shall study physics. Why should I study chemistry and form any opinion about chemistry.
My prescribed subject is Physics only.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
Bye sir.I break for my Tea.It is very cold here.
Regards.

Sikh80 · #39 (**permalink**) 13-Dec-2007, 08:21 AM

The guidance from Akali ji is awaited.

International Akaali · #40 (**permalink**) 14-Dec-2007, 20:55 PM

Sikh80: The answer to randip singhs question is this as per my understanding:

Bhagat bani which has been given gurgaddi should be called gurbani. There bani which is present in shri guru granth sahib ji is gurbani. Remember bani is a word that means spoken or said by first person of whoever the individual is and not the way we say in our daily lives

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. In this case bhagat ji's bani outside of shri guru granth sahib ji can never be considered gurbani as guru sahib didnt give that authority of gurbani to the bani of bhagats outside of guru granth sahib ji.

We do not know why that the bani outside of guru granth sahib ji but however there was a reason as to why it was or wasn't. We can't come to that understanding because we do not need too. Gurbani is given us the ultimate path to reaching the stage of sach khand and being one with akaal purkh. If we come to say "oh why wasn't this bani of bhagats included", then what are we as individuals trying to say that guru sahib made a mistake that he didn't include it in gur shabad? No one would ever say that and we can't come to an understand as to why, The bani of bhagats which go in line with the sidhant of sikhi which guru nanak sahib created is included in shri guru granth sahib ji and the ones that are not, are not included it is very simple concept. So our ultimate guru is not the bhagat himself, or guru tegh bahadur only, or guru nanak dev ji only etc, our guru is all those bhagat's, mahapurkhs and guru's which have there bani in guru granth sahib which makes guru granth sahib ji as our ultimate guru which gives us the spirtual path.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394

I dont have much time right now so i will post some other time on the naam topic. Have been very busy

Regards