Sikh80 i get the sense you get very uncomfortable and stressful when an individual does have any kind of question why is that? He has just asked that do you concur it is not that hard of a question.

Also I would like to ask you where in SGGS is given this "vidhi" of naam simran/meditation. As is this the way guru sahib has given us is of the rrepitiion of gods name numerous times in a certain position? Please clairify, you have pasted a bunch of articles which i don't have time to read right now so can you please summurize as per teaching of Guru Granth sahib ji. Thanks.

Akali ji,
ssa
Since you are here I would like that you take up the question of randip ji and answer and guide us.What do you feel. I would also like that you should study the posts when you have the time and also tell us the ''vidhi'' after summarizing from SGGS ji. Incidentally I am attending to some other job.I shall read when I have the time.On second thought I felt that you may really be short of time and hence The following 'tuks' are posted from SGGS ji.

hir ko nwmu jpIAY nIiq ] (405-13, Awsw, mÚ 5)
Chant continually the Name of the Lord.
swis swis iDAwie so pRBu iqAwig Avr prIiq ]1] rhwau ] (405-13, Awsw, mÚ 5)
With each and every breath, meditate on God, and renounce other love. ||1||Pause||

ijnw swis igrwis n ivsrY hir nwmW min mMqu ] (319-18, gauVI, mÚ 5)
Those who do not forget the Lord, with each breath and morsel of food, whose minds are filled with the Mantra of the Lord's Name

rwm nwmu myrY pRwix vswey siqgur pris hir nwim smeIAw ]1] (834-13, iblwvlu, mÚ 4)
He has brought the Lord's Name to dwell upon my breath of life; meeting with the True Guru, I am absorbed into the Lord's Name. ||1||

and
ijcru ivic dMmu hY iqcru n cyqeI ik krygu AgY jwie ] (556-1, ibhwgVw, mÚ 3)
As long as there is breath in the body, he does not remember the Lord; what will he do in the world hereafter?

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This is not kiddish. Not intellectualism but something I want your view on. I am not trying to catch you out.

My opinion is that if we follow only the Bani of Bhagats that is not Sikhi...........Sikhi finds the common threads of Bhagats and highlights those.

Do you agree with this or do you think Bani of Bhagats is the same as Sikhi?

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Randip Singh
Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

Dear Randip ji,
Kindly re-phrase your question.It is not clear as to on which you want me to opine.

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Ok we know the Bhagats had other Bani's that were not included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji......yes?

My question is that if we otally followed one of these Bhagat Bani's totally, is that the same as Sikhi?

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Randip Singh
Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

Having no reply from your side I am posting the reply to your question as I could interpret. If you still want to know something please feel free to post the query.
Bani of Granth sahib Maharaj ji contains the Bani of Nanaks/Gurus and the saints. The entire bani when clubbed under the head of 'SGGS ji' is called as ‘sabad –guru’. The ‘sabad guru’ thus includes the Bani of the saints [to the extent that is included in the Granth sahib ji] and Guru sahibs. The extent of bani of these saints that is included in Granth sahib ji also forms the part of ‘sabad-guru’ and is worthy of as much respect as is the other bani of Guru sahibaan.

I am no one [and so are you] to philosophize as to why only this much portion of the bani of saints is included in SGGS ji and why not the entire bani of the saints have been taken in ‘sabad- guru’ nor should I bother about that part of the Bani of the saints that is not included in the Granth sahib ji.It is also stated that I have fair supposition that all the saints whose bani is recorded in Granth sahib ji Maharaj were having a very high spiritual level that they had their dasam dwar opened. All Of the saints were said to be in communion with Almighty. They were Souls of higher level.

In the end I shall re-iterate as follows:

The sikhs bear the followings:

Gurbani is jewel:

• Gurbani is the jewel, the treasure of devotion. Singing, hearing and acting upon it, one is enraptured. ||2|| (page 376)
• Hold your mind steady while reciting Bani:
• Under Guru’s Instructions, hold your mind steady; O my soul, do not let it wander anywhere. One who utters the Bani of the Praises of the Lord God, O Nanak, obtains the fruits of his heart’s desires. ||1|| (p538)
• Focus one’s mind on the True Lord:
• When the Lord shows His Mercy, He enjoins the mortal to work for the Guru. His pains are taken away, and the Lord’s Name comes to dwell within. True deliverance comes by focusing one’s consciousness on the True Lord. Listen to the Shabad, and the Word of the Guru’s Bani. ||1|| (p1277) [1]

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Bani - SikhiWiki, free Sikh encyclopedia.






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Hope it satisfies and confirm so that I move out to have a cup of tea as it is almost past seven in the evening and I am glued to comp. for more than an hour to attend to your question.
regards

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Ok.Sir, I shall check tomorrow morning.

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Ok so I won't get an answer from you. Just say so instead of skating round the topic.

Everyone including YOU is entitled to an opinion, you do not wish to share it fair enough.

For me Bani of Bhagats not in Sri Guru Granth sahib ji does not constitute Sikhi.

PS Enjoy your tea................and please don't call me sir. We are Sikh and are all equals.

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Randip Singh
Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

Does it really matter?Sir,.
It matters a little as to what we believe about the rest of the Bani of the saints.

I am student of physics, I shall study physics. Why should I study chemistry and form any opinion about chemistry.
My prescribed subject is Physics only.
Bye sir.I break for my Tea.It is very cold here.
Regards.

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