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Let's return to Sri Guru Granth Sahib for a moment. A human guru is not only unnecessary, it is actually outside of the framework of Gurmat. What gives Sikhism its futuristic vision is liberation from spiritual dependence on another human being.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
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If you are a Sikh, then a jumble of spiritual sadhanas is not for you. Because your face is turned toward the Guru.
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Respected aad2000 ji,

You are cent percent correct in whatever you say and mean. I may be cent percent incorrect in giving a reference of a site that states that it is very important to carry on with nam jaap as a routine. I should have consulted some sikhi site.

It is almost like this:

1.Guru sahib says that we should be honest and a good human being.

2.Some vedantic site says that we should be clean at heart.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394

Both statement will include one another. One cannot be a good human being without being clean at heart.
similarly one cannot be clean at heart without a good human being.

On a wider plane does it matter? My God cannot be other than his God.I do not think that our waheguru and Allah are two entities. It cannot be.

Again it is stated that you are cent percent correct and I was wrong in that I have stated by posting something form a Vedantic site. Incidentally the science of soul, the theory of Karma and re-incarnations and the their philosphy existed much before sikhism came into being. We have banned Gita and vedas but Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji makes a reference to Vedas at many places.

At the end I conclude that I shall not post things from Vedantic sites simply because they are vedantic site.

I think there is a communication Gap.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394

You cannot mean that 'naam jap' by Vedantic philosphy is different than 'naam jap' of sikhs.Vedantic philosphy is older than sikhism.
In any case it shall be better to put a stop for a while and let us proceed as usual.

I need be forgiven for the sin that I have committed.
In the meantime I thank Kelly_kaur ji for her kind words which were missed by me as these were eclipsced by some post.
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Nam Japna (Meditation or contemplation on the Name of God)



Sikh Missionary Society(U.K.) - Sikhism - Principles - Nam Japna (Meditation or contemplation on the Name of God)

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Sikh80 ji,

Please don't jump to the conclusion that you have committed a sin. And anyone is free to post from vedantic sites. You said "Maybe there is a communication gap?" Maybe I was too hard on you. You have a tender soul.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
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My point is only that clarification is needed when the naam jap is inspired by a human who is regarded as a Satgur. In Sikhi naam jap is inspired by the shabd of Sri Guru Granth Sahib, not a human being. And Vedantic beliefs and practices are older than Sikhism, yes. But Sikhism is not the child or offspring or a subdivision or a sect of Vedantic philosophy. There are major differences. So the distinction needs to be made clear. That is all I am saying.

But please don't take my comments as directed at you personally. They are nothing more than my understanding of where we need to be focused.
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"AJAPPAA JAAP": UNCHANTED CHANT

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I once asked a 70 year old Sikh gentleman as to what naam is to him?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
He said, follow what's written in the Guru Granth Sahib. Har Naam, Har, Har, Har, Har.
I asked him what about Waheguru ? He said its ok to say other names - whatever is written in Sri Guru Granth Sahib is acceptable as Naam Japna - Like Allah, ishvar, prabh, narayan, etc - otherwise they wouldn't appear in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
When I asked him that they could be metaphors, and he said - arguments are all created by mind (manmukhs).
The Gurmukhs - don't question. They follow simple instructions in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib.

Asked how should one Jap Naam?
His answer is - treat every breath as your last and remember God in that intensity. Don't analyse anything because mind will take charge again and keep you in delusion.
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He must be a truthful person and not beyond this. Do U think that sikhi needs that kind of Heros.? Pl. give our view point as well.
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Now I admit to being clueless. Upon following the link provided by Sikh80 I discovered the teachings are those of Sree Swami Satyanand Ji Maharaj

Further investigation revealed the following information from the first google hit.
Shree Swami Satyanand Ji Maharaj, the founder of Shree Ram Sharnam, was born in 1861 in Rawalpindi. He had lost his parents in his early childhood. At the young age of 17, he took up the company of spiritual teachers of Jain faith. In 1891, at the age of 30, he joined the Arya Samaj, and studied Vedanta, Upanishads, and other sacred epics.

Later in the same article I found this

Swami Ji initiated Sadhna Satsangs for serious devotees to practice detachment, devotion, purity of body and mind, and healthy living habits. The first Sadhna Satsang was held in Haridwar, followed by many camps all over India. On November 13, 1960 while chanting "Ram Naam", Swamiji gave up his physical body after transferring his Spiritual Powers to his dear disciple Shree Prem Ji Maharaj, and designating him as the one to replace him. Shree Swamiji’s body was immersed in the Holy Ganges at Neel-Dhara near Haridwar, which has since become a unique Holy Place for all Amritvani devotees.

It is clear that the post is speaking of Nam Jap in a Vedantic tradition that is not Sikh -- and this needs to be made clear. It matters because the Swami in question upon his death installed a successor. So we are looking at a case of Guru in Human Form.

Seeker80, or anyone, what distinction need we draw between the message posted and Gurmat? Between the guruship of a human being, and the shabd of Sri Guru Granth Sahib?

The following link raises questions in a straightforward way.

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Our Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji contains the Bani of many Saints who were not sikhs like Nam dev, Kabir sahib and even Muslims like Sheikh Farid. If the sikhs highest scripture includes the philosphical banis of these saintly personalities it stands to reason that one can read and follow that is as per sikhi.

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Hmmm.

Please clarify....are you saying if I followed the Bani of only Kabir I would be still a Sikh?
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