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| | | | | Re: Naam japna 1. Sabaddrth Sri Guru. Granth Sahib. AMRITSAR, 1969
2. Jodh SINGH, GURMAT Nimaya. LAHORE, 1932 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/18394-naam-japna.html Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
3. Sher Singh, Philosophy of Sikhism. Lahore, 1944
4. Avtar Singh, Ethics of the Sikhs. PATIALA, 1970
5. Nripinder Singh, The Sikh Moral Tradition. Delhi, 1990
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| | | | | Re: Naam japna REFERENCES
1. Guru Granth Sahib.
2. Bachitar Natak, part A-6 (33).
3. Galloway : The Philosophy of Religion, Edinburgh, 1915, p. 654.
4. See, Niharranjan Ray : The Sikh Gurus and The Sikh Society, Punjabi University, Patiala, 1970.
5. Sharma, I. C. : The Ethics of Buddhism, Ethical Philosophies of India, p. 169. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
6. Smith Huston : The Religion of Man, New York, 1959, p. 214.
7. Stace, W. T. : Mysticism and Philosophy, p. 126 | 
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| | | | | Re: Naam japna Naam-Simran: A Discourse Kulwant Singh* (USA) * Email: ksingh_india@yahoo.com "Naam Simran Bhakti" in Sikhism by Gurbax Singh. Published by Hemkunt Press. A-78 Naraina Indl. Area-I. New Delhi. 110028.
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Dear Sikh80 Ji, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
Will you please elaborate
(i) what indicates the evolution of person from normal state of mind to Dharna, from Dharna to Dhyan and from Dhyan to Samadhi. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
(ii) What makes you accept or to think that breath brings mind into silence and is a bridge between body and mind.
(iii)To the extent I know, Guru Sahib has not suggested Pranayaama as a tool for metal purity. To me Pranayaama is good for the body. Beyond that I could not create any direct link between breathing and mind or spirituality. Please note I make a distiction between Buddhi and Maan, Buddhi is part of the body and Maan i.e. mind is the soft output of a functioning brain.
I wish to learn more on the above three points from you and from any one who reads this post
With love and respect for all.
Amarpal Singh | 
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Dear Sikh80 Ji,
Will you please elaborate
(i) what indicates the evolution of person from normal state of mind to Dharna, from Dharna to Dhyan and from Dhyan to Samadhi.
(ii) What makes you accept or to think that breath brings mind into silence and is a bridge between body and mind.
(iii)To the extent I know, Guru Sahib has not suggested Pranayaama as a tool for metal purity. To me Pranayaama is good for the body. Beyond that I could not create any direct link between breathing and mind or spirituality. Please note I make a distiction between Buddhi and Maan, Buddhi is part of the body and Maan i.e. mind is the soft output of a functioning brain.
I wish to learn more on the above three points from you and from any one who reads this post
With love and respect for all.
Amarpal Singh | I shall try to take up your questions as follows.It is ,sometimes, good to enter into theoretical discussions. Q1. It is a subjective assesment of the seeker to find out whether he has reached the stage of meditation by achieving concentration. There are many points of overlap between these stages. All these methods are primarily meant to achieve the control Of Mind that is considered very difficult.It has been stated in Gurbani as well. sMjogu ivjogu duie kwr clwvih lyKy Awvih Bwg ] (6-19, jpu, mÚ 1) Union with Him, and separation from Him, come by His Will. We come to receive what is written in our destiny. Conquering the mind is like conquering the world. AweI pMQI sgl jmwqI min jIqY jgu jIqu ] (6-17, jpu, mÚ 1) See the brotherhood of all mankind as the highest order of Yogis; conquer your own mind, and conquer the world. Dharna and Dhyan are the intermittent stage while samadhi[tadi] is the final stage of concentration. mnu bYrwgI Gir vsY sc BY rwqw hoie ] (21-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1) If the mind becomes balanced and detached, and comes to dwell in its own true home, imbued with the Fear of God, It is suggested that one may refer various web-sites that deals exclusively with Yoga of Meditation. One may refer Brahma Kumaris or the site of swami Sivananda. These are non-sikhi sites rather Vedantic. 2. Regarding the second it is again a subjective experience. There is nothing as to what I feel about the breath helping the control Of mind. One may devise other means. It suits someone so it is ok. One need not follow this method. There is nothing specified about this i.e how to get perfect concentration. 3. Guru Sahibaan have not recommended 'Pranayam'. I will not be knowing this as the definition of the term 'Pranayam' varies with the context.I do not think that this word has appeared in Gurbani. However, there are mentions Of ida, Pingla and Sushmana in Granth sahib. It deals with Kundalini Jagran and As per the web-reports It is to say that many American Sikhs practice yoga of Pranayam. Pranayam especially Anolom-Vilom[ alternate breathing from right or left nostril]is recommended by the Yoga teachers for the cleaning of mind and body [Some teachers Of Yoga have also stated that clinical depression can be controlled by it]. There are other exercises in Pranayam as well .These can be learnt by spending time . No lecture or writing will help. Guru sahibs have mentioned about Kundalini Jagran in Granth Sahib. However, it is not recommended anywhere. Further it has also not been condemned anywhere in Gurbani. It is stated that Kundalni jagran stage is achieved by attending the 'sangats' and doing keertan of lord's praise etc. Kundalni Jagran is a must to be in Turia awastha. It is the stage when the Tenth door is stated to be opened. Koil@E kpwtu qw mnu ThrweI ]1] rhwau dUjw ]5] (738-3, sUhI, mÚ 5) When the door is opened, then the mind is restrained. ||1||Second Pause||5|| and hir jIau guPw AMdir riK kY vwjw pvxu vjwieAw ] (922-11, rwmklI, mÚ 3) The Lord placed the soul to the cave of the body, and blew the breath of life into the musical instrument of the body. vjwieAw vwjw paux nau duAwry prgtu kIey dsvw gupqu rKwieAw ] (922-11, rwmklI, mÚ 3) He blew the breath of life into the musical instrument of the body, and revealed the nine doors; but He kept the Tenth Door hidden. gurduAwrY lwie BwvnI ieknw dsvw duAwru idKwieAw ](922-12, rwmklI, mÚ 3) Through the Gurdwara, the Guru's Gate, some are blessed with loving faith, and the Tenth Door is revealed to them. AT the end I shall be grateful if you could kindly tell us the methods that are recommended by guru sahibs in Granth sahib. Regards. e&oe | 
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| | | | | Re: Naam japna The process of cleaning by Pranayam through alternate breathing techniques are referred as 'Nadi Shodhan' as per Vedantic philosphy and in Raj Yoga. You may kindly refer to Raj yoga by Swami Vivekananda. It is a nice book and deals with almost all the questions that you have raised. The book was available at Amazon , last time when I checked. If you need I can help you out in locating this book in India. I could come across this line that speaks of breath control. It is thus concluded that methos of breadth control was also known at those times. Since it has not been specifically condemned here one can draw the necessary conclusions subject to it not being discarded elsewhere in the scriptures.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394 Kycr BUcr qulsI mwlw gur prswdI pwieAw ] (973-8, rwmklI, Bgq nwmdyv jI) Control of the breath and positioning of the tongue, focusing at the third eye and wearing malas of tulsi beads, are all obtained through Guru's Grace. Regards Sir, P.S.Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394
I know my knowledge is very limited and is not meant for clarifying the doubts of a very senior member from whom we have to learn a lot.
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| | | | | Re: Naam japna Respected Amarpal ji,
Following is the reference Of Raja Yoga in Granth sahib. Guru Arjan dev ji is being eulogised by the bhat [poet] that Guru Arjan dev ji knows the Art of Yoga [merger] and meditation.It gives a perfect clue that Kundalni jagran was adopted by the Guru Sahib as well. However, not being sure on this, I would not be tempted to speculate that I am right. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394 ਗੁਰ ਅਰਜੁਨ ਕਲ੍ਯ੍ਯੁਚਰੈ ਤੈ ਰਾਜ ਜੋਗ ਰਸੁ ਜਾਣਿਅਉ ॥੭॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=18394 गुर अरजुन कल्युचरै तै राज जोग रसु जाणिअउ ॥७॥ Gur arjun kalyucẖrai ṯai rāj jog ras jāṇiao. ||7|| So speaks KALL the poet: O Guru Arjun, You know the sublime essence of Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. ||7|| | 
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