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04-12-2007, 08:18 AM
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gurmuiK vsqu vyswhIAY scu vKru scu rwis ] (18-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
The Gurmukhs purchase the Genuine Article. The True Merchandise is purchased with the True Capital.
ijnI scu vxMijAw gur pUry swbwis ] (18-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Those who purchase this True Merchandise through the Perfect Guru are blessed.
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The above lines refer to TRUE Merchandise and Genuine Article, TRUE Capital. What are these things that Guru Sahibaan are pointing at.?
Das Shall be grateful as ever for an explanation. __________________
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17-12-2007, 09:58 AM
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Dear friends
I am making this post to go round second time. Shall be oblidged if meaning of the above is clarified by anyone. __________________
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17-12-2007, 10:10 AM
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Sikh80ji
Actually there may not be an "explanation" but rather an understanding. These lines require an authentic veechar -- which is a deeper undertaking. My opinion of course. __________________ ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe. |
17-12-2007, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sikh80  gurmuiK vsqu vyswhIAY scu vKru scu rwis ] (18-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
The Gurmukhs purchase the Genuine Article. The True Merchandise is purchased with the True Capital.
ijnI scu vxMijAw gur pUry swbwis ] (18-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Those who purchase this True Merchandise through the Perfect Guru are blessed.
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The above lines refer to TRUE Merchandise and Genuine Article, TRUE Capital. What are these things that Guru Sahibaan are pointing at.?
Das Shall be grateful as ever for an explanation. | Respected aad ji,
I am not sure as to how to arrive at contemplation of these words unless one can enthread the ideas behind the lines.
As the words require clarification is 'true', it is talking about the True merchandis/genuine Article and true capital should be that we earn or possess. We do not make tru capital without Simran.Hence true capital would be the time that we are allowed to spend in simran/chanting/meditation etc..
Kindly correct me. __________________
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17-12-2007, 05:45 PM
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What I am saying is that a quick explanation doesn't do the bani justice. __________________ ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe. |
17-12-2007, 08:16 PM
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In that case would you be nice enough if you could kindly share the concepts that you have built. It may be thru. PM if you prefer.
As per your convenience only. __________________
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17-12-2007, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Sikh80 gurmuiK vsqu vyswhIAY scu vKru scu rwis ] (18-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
The Gurmukhs purchase the Genuine Article. The True Merchandise is purchased with the True Capital.
ijnI scu vxMijAw gur pUry swbwis ] (18-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Those who purchase this True Merchandise through the Perfect Guru are blessed.
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The above lines refer to TRUE Merchandise and Genuine Article, TRUE Capital. What are these things that Guru Sahibaan are pointing at.?
Das Shall be grateful as ever for an explanation. | Sikh80 ji.
Can I make a suggestion. When we post one or two times from an Ang we lose the meaning. Post the entire Ang/Shabad/Mehla and then we can discuss my friend. Do not forget page numbers.
Thanks. __________________ Randip Singh Sikh History Website "Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS |
18-12-2007, 07:35 AM
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Rrspected Randip ji/Archived_member2 ji
AS desired I am giving below the lines from SGGS ji,Ang 18.The specific lines are colored.
isrIrwgu mhlw 1 ] (18-4)
Siree Raag, First Mehl:
BlI srI ij aubrI haumY mueI Grwhu ] (18-4, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
It all worked out-I was saved, and the egotism within my heart was subdued.
dUq lgy iPir cwkrI siqgur kw vyswhu ] (18-4, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
The evil energies have been made to serve me, since I placed my faith in the True Guru.
klp iqAwgI bwid hY scw vyprvwhu ]1] (18-5, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
I have renounced my useless schemes, by the Grace of the True, Carefree Lord. ||1||
mn ry scu imlY Bau jwie ] (18-5, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
O mind, meeting with the True One, fear departs.
BY ibnu inrBau ikau QIAY gurmuiK sbid smwie ]1] rhwau ] (18-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Without the Fear of God, how can anyone become fearless? Become Gurmukh, and immerse yourself in the Shabad. ||1||Pause||
kyqw AwKxu AwKIAY AwKix qoit n hoie ] (18-6, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
How can we describe Him with words? There is no end to the descriptions of Him.
mMgx vwly kyqVy dwqw eyko soie ] (18-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
There are so many beggars, but He is the only Giver.
ijs ky jIA prwx hY min visAY suKu hoie ]2] (18-7, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
He is the Giver of the soul, and the praanaa, the breath of life; when He dwells within the mind, there is peace. ||2||
jgu supnw bwjI bnI iKn mih Kylu Kylwie ] (18-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
The world is a drama, staged in a dream. In a moment, the play is played out.
sMjogI imil eyksy ivjogI auiT jwie ] (18-8, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Some attain union with the Lord, while others depart in separation.
jo iqsu Bwxw so QIAY Avru n krxw jwie ]3] (18-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Whatever pleases Him comes to pass; nothing else can be done. ||3||
gurmuiK vsqu vyswhIAY scu vKru scu rwis ] (18-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
The Gurmukhs purchase the Genuine Article. The True Merchandise is purchased with the True Capital.
ijnI scu vxMijAw gur pUry swbwis ] (18-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Those who purchase this True Merchandise through the Perfect Guru are blessed.
nwnk vsqu pCwxsI scu saudw ijsu pwis ]4]11] (18-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
O Nanak, one who stocks this True Merchandise shall recognize and realize the Genuine Article. ||4||11|| __________________
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18-12-2007, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Archived_member2 Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Sikh80 Jee!
Thanks for your efforts providing the translation. gurmuiK vsqu vyswhIAY scu vKru scu rwis ] (18-9, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
The Gurmukhs purchase the Genuine Article. The True Merchandise is purchased with the True Capital. ijnI scu vxMijAw gur pUry swbwis ] (18-10, isrIrwgu, mÚ 1)
Those who purchase this True Merchandise through the Perfect Guru are blessed.
The translation of the first Vaak provided is "The Gurmukhs purchase the Genuine Article. The True Merchandise is purchased with the True Capital."
It is the contemplation. The true Guru provides the genuine Thing (Vasatu). This is true Naam. May I ask who preached Sikhs that one can purchase the true Naam?
Also, true capital grows with the Naam Simran. Strange, some possess it, all ready to buy true Naam.
The translation of the next Vaak provided is "Those who purchase this True Merchandise through the Perfect Guru are blessed."
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee is the perfect Guru as preachers try to convince all Sikhs. I cannot imagine He is the perfect Guru who has placed the thick iron box (golak) to keep the sales safe from culprits. Some visitors may be feeling blessed offering a part of their mayic earnings though.
I feel the business oriented dealings in the world has inspired the translator.
Archived_member2 | Thanks Archived_member2 ji for a wonderful explanation. 1.The line refers to purchase.It means an exchange of one thing for the Naam.[true merchandise] If Gurmukh gets naam he must have some true capital. This true capital is the simran. 2. The second lines states that the process of purchas eis thru. the Guru.{perfect Guru]
You have put in some questions in the post. Yes, It SGGS ji that tells us that we should have naam else we waste the life. __________________
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18-12-2007, 06:32 PM
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One way of looking at the above could be that we have given precious breath or Pranas in this life ,it can be also our true capital. It is with this capital of limited Time [ Limited Breaths] that one carryout Simran and earn the true thing Naam thru. perfect Guru.
Archived_member2 ji, Incidentally SGGS ji or God HImself is our Guru. It is thru. SGGS that we attain the Naam of lord and then contemplate on this. __________________
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