Understanding Gurbani

Sikh80 · #41 (**permalink**) 20-12-2007, 09:29 PM

Bani Of SGGS ji is priceless, it cannot be tagged as it is the bani of Nirankaar the Lord itself. There is no involvement of preacher .Lord HIMSELF has said this. So, let us live in HIS will and Hukum.
Good Night.

Sikh80 · #42 (**permalink**) 20-12-2007, 09:35 PM

It was today morning [5-12-07]that the katha of Gyani Maskeen ji was relayed . In his ‘parvachan’ he stated many things but I am quoting only that is relevant to the thread.

After quoting many ‘tuks’ from SGS ji he made an observation that entire Bani is ‘Naam’ as it is the word of GOD. One can,therefore, concentrate on the recitation of the bani. It can be done in two ways:

Either by reciting the Bani like Ajapa jap.
Or By reading the bani aloud so that it is heard by the reader.

OR

In case it is found difficult then one should do ‘Naam jaap’/simran/meditation on the word ‘waheguru’. He had stated clearly that without this there is no escape of Sikh. One should devote as much time as possible as life is not very predictable.
I am giving below some ‘tuks’ from Granth sahib ji in this regard:

GurSikhs, know that the Bani, the Word of the True Guru, is true, absolutely true. The Creator Lord Himself causes the Guru to chant it.[308-5]
Through the Word of the Guru's Bani, the Naam resounds[362-11]
Singing the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises, the Naam abides within the mind.[363-3]
Constantly listening to the Ambrosial Gurbani in the heart, it becomes pleasing to the mind.[366-11]
Through Gurbani, the Incomprehensible Lord is comprehended[366-12]

There are many sweet quotes from the Granth Sahib ji.

- The One Lord is pervading and permeating deep within the heart; with your mouth, recite the Ambrosial Hymns of the Guru.[366-12]
- Gurbani is the jewel, the treasure of devotion.[376-14]
- Singing, hearing and acting upon it, one is enraptured.[376-15]
- Embrace love for the Word of the Guru's Bani.[387-13]
- The Kirtan of the Lord's Praise is my Support; this wealth is everlasting.[398-14]|
- Those whose minds are pleased with the Word of the Guru's Bani, drink in the Ambrosial Nectar again and again.[449-14]
- Servant Nanak chants the Glorious Words of the Guru's Bani; through them, one is absorbed into the Naam, the Name of the Lord. [494-4]

Waaho! Waaho! is the Bani, the Word, of the Formless Lord. There is no other as great as He is.[515-17]

[ Dear Archived_member2 ji,
I am posting it here as well.This was already posted in other thread as well.]

Sikh80 · #43 (**permalink**) 20-12-2007, 09:42 PM

What does Sikhism tells about the image or description of God?

A: Guru Granth Sahib, the Sikh Holy Scripture describes the characteristics of God. Through the 1430 pages the Guru Granth Sahib explains about God, praises God, and informs on what essentially makes God.

The opening of the Scripture is a description of God: ‘God is one. He is the supreme truth. He, the Creator, is beyond fear and beyond hate. He is immortal. He is neither born and nor does He die. By Guru’s grace shall He be met. In the beginning He was the truth. Throughout the ages He has been the truth. He is the truth here and now and He shall be the truth forever’ (Guru Granth Sahib, 1).

The most important aspect of being a Sikh, is to understand that, there is one endless God. He is indescribable, inestimable, indubitable, infallible, intangible, imperishable, immutable, immortal, immaculate, immanent, unconquerable, unique, formless, fearless, deathless, timeless, ageless, compassionate, omnipresent and creator of all.

God loves everyone. Sikhs believe there is no one superior to God. Furthermore, Sikhs believe that God created all beings, all animals, birds, all creatures, including humans. When the First Great Guru, the founder of Sikh faith, Guru Nanak Dev gave this definition to the people who believed differently in God, they were surprised and they asked him, who told you this and how God came in existence? The Great Guru said, “God Himself told me that He is self-created.” They asked him, “how does God look?" and the Great Guru preached that God is formless. God is beyond gender and form. God has no body.

The main difference between Sikhism and some of the world’s other religions is that there are people who worship Jesus and believe Jesus is God, some people worship Buddha and believe Buddha is God. The Sikh Gurus themselves said that they are not to be worshipped. They expressed very clearly not to worship anyone except God.

Sikh80 · #44 (**permalink**) 21-12-2007, 06:27 AM

jyvfu BwvY qyvfu hoie ] (6-3, jpu, mÚ 1)
He is as Great as He wishes to be.
nwnk jwxY swcw soie ] (6-3, jpu, mÚ 1)
O Nanak, the True Lord knows.
jy ko AwKY boluivgwVu ] (6-4, jpu, mÚ 1)
If anyone presumes to describe God,
qw ilKIAY isir gwvwrw gwvwru ]26] (6-4, jpu, mÚ 1)
he shall be known as the greatest fool of fools! ||26||

Sikh80 · #45 (**permalink**) 21-12-2007, 06:33 AM

jb qy srin qumwrI Awey qb qy doK gey ]1] rhwau ] (829-15, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
When I came to Your Sanctuary, my sins vanished. ||1||Pause||
qij AiBmwnu Aru icMq ibrwnI swDh srn pey ] (829-15, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
Renouncing egotistical pride and other anxieties, I have sought the Sanctuary of the Holy Saints.
jip jip nwmu qum@wro pRIqm qn qy rog Key ]1] (829-16, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
Chanting, meditating on Your Name, O my Beloved, disease is eradicated from my body. ||1||
mhw mugD Ajwn AigAwnI rwKy Dwir dey ] (829-16, iblwvlu, mÚ 5)
Even utterly foolish, ignorant and thoughtless persons have been saved by the Kind Lord.

Sikh80 · #46 (**permalink**) 21-12-2007, 06:55 AM

SGGS Page 189

With my hands I do His work; with my tongue I sing His Glorious Praises.

With my feet, I walk on the Path of my Lord and Master. ((1))
It is a good time, when I remember Him in meditation.
Meditating on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, I cross over the terrifying world-ocean. ((1)(Pause))
With your eyes, behold the Blessed Vision of the Saints.
Record the Immortal Lord God within your mind. ((2))
Listen to the Kirtan of His Praises, at the Feet of the Holy.
Your fears of birth and death shall depart. ((3))
Enshrine the Lotus Feet of your Lord and Master within your heart.
Thus this human life, so difficult to obtain, shall be redeemed. ((4)(51)(120))

Surinder Kaur Cheema · #47 (**permalink**) 21-12-2007, 05:25 PM

Dear Veer Archived_member2 Ji, thankyou much for being the live example for :

eyqY jil vrsdY iqK mrih Bwg iqnw ky nwih ]
eaethai jal varasadhai thikh marehi bhag thina kae nahi ||

your statements:

Quote:

Strange, many are reading it repeatedly and continue doing so.

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I have heard some have got this written message from Gurdev engraved on gold or silver metal plates. Some others have studded it with precious stones. Some jewelers are planning to make pendants of it but their women are more for the ear tops. Educational theorists are suggesting layouts of children books where to print this Guru's Message. Some are learning to use weapons in case somebody raises a question and insults them showing curiosity in the original Guru's Message.
Their life is engaged now with stereotyped anayk Sabad, anayk Gurus and anayk Baanees.
It seems God is ready again for Avtaar as the true Guru.

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By reading Gurdev's Message repeatedly but not experiencing it and acting on it one can become sick.

ARE YOU ACTING ON IT??????? by giving statements like

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God's Hukam is active in all.

alongwith

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The true Gurus are giving Updesh today also. Please do not waste life reading. Strange, many are reading it repeatedly and continue doing so.

AND DHAN DHAN SIRI GURU SAHIB SACHE PAATSHAH IS SAYING:

pIaU dwdy kw Koil ifTw Kjwnw ]
qw myrY min BieAw inDwnw ]1]
rqn lwl jw kw kCU n molu ] Bry BMfwr AKUt Aqol ]2]
Kwvih Krcih ril imil BweI ]
qoit n AwvY vDdo jweI ]3]

your words:

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Gurdev in His Presence gave this Updes directly to Archived_member2.

I humbly ask you:
AND BTW WHICH PLACE IS WITHOUT GURDEV's PRESENCE, VEER Archived_member2 JI??????
AND WHO IS WITHOUT GURDEV??????
WHO IS WITHOUT GURRDEV'S UPDES... WHO IS?????? KOI HAI or KOI SEE OR KOI HOEGA????????

This reminds me of the fact:

jo bRhmMfy soeI ipMfy jo KojY so pwvY ]
jo brehamanddae soee pinddae jo khojai so paavai ||
The One who pervades the Universe also dwells in the body; whoever seeks Him, finds Him there.

this must be very hard truth for those to digest who are SO SCARED of Dhan Dhan Gurbani being circulated in ALL FORMS ALL OVER THE WORLD IN EVERY LANGUAGE.....

Dhan Dhan Sache Patshah has a COPY of BRAHMAND in everyone(and it is like three dimentional) and is UPDATING all the time................ WAHEGURU'S COURT FOLLOW- NO GOD'S CHILD LEFT BEHIND THEORY............................everybody has all those copies in all those forms, unlimited count, THIS ULTIMATE TRUTH must be very painful for those who find ways to propagate against its CIRCULATION as they do know(they agree in public or not) BUT THIS IS THE ONLY FACT THAT SCARE THEM) as they know:

jh jh dyKw qh rihAw smweI ]
jah jah daykhaa tah rahi-aa samaa-ee. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Wherever I look, I see the Lord pervading. ||1||Pause||

jh dyKau qh riv rhy rKu rwKnhwrw ]
jeh dhaekho theh saarigapaan ||2||Wherever I look, I see the Lord of the World. ||2||

vwhu vwhu bwxI inrMkwr hY iqsu jyvfu Avru n koie ]
vwhu vwhu Agm AQwhu hY vwhu vwhu scw soie ]
vwhu vwhu vyprvwhu hY vwhu vwhu kry su hoie ]
vwhu vwhu AMimRq nwmu hY gurmuiK pwvY koie ]
vwhu vwhu krmI pweIAY Awip dieAw kir dyie ]
nwnk vwhu vwhu gurmuiK pweIAY Anidnu nwmu leyie ]

the fact that Bani is getting known ALL AROUND scares them that's all

Sikh80 Ji, see Waheguru Ji taught us something in this thread........ no effort goes fruitless...............................

because if even a coward hear Guru's Bachan can have chances to be saved , HOW CAN BANI HATERS TOLERATE THIS TRUTH, NO WAY.........

another question for you Archived_member2 Veer, this time technical....

Honrable yourself is against copy paste and hard paper copies......... WHEN BANI APPEARS IN YOUR POSTS:
WHAT TECHNIQUE YOU ARE USING??? PLEASE SHARE, COMPUTER GEEKS WILL BE VERY GLAD TO KNOW ABOUT THIS SECTRET, thanks in advance.........

humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness

Surinder Kaur Cheema · #48 (**permalink**) 21-12-2007, 05:45 PM

Dhan ho Archived_member2 Ji Dhan ho:

your statement:

Quote:

The true Sikh blessed with Naam Simran does not go on reading repeatedly the revered Guru's Message

and

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Gurdev is singing

this one is the best one..............

Guru is singing and people who are living in 'Guru being recognized by all' scare, are telling others(after recognizing that Guru 'IS' singing) dont read, dont listen, dont sing, dont copy, basically DONT LOOK, .................... and at the same time talking and preaching about the WAYS TO merge into the same GURU(and claiming that their's is the ONLY way)................. merging but stop listening and reading ............................... what kind of merger is that!!!!!!!!!!!! Guru is singing, how can one stop that, how can, it is unstopable........................................ ......................................how two opposites can be there at the same time!!!!!!! Guru is singing but Gurmukh dont sing, HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE..........IN WHAT FORM...........!!!!!!!!

Awpy guru cylw hY Awpy Awpy dsy Gwtu ]

Awpy guru cylw hY Awpy Awpy hir pRBu coj ivfwnI ]

AND DHAN DHAN GURU SAHIB SACHE PAATSHAH IS SINGING:
GURBANI GAVO BHAI.............................................
khavo kharcho...................................

DEAR FORUM LEADERS please delete anything that you think inappropreate under forum rules from me neech's above two posts: as i been going on and on this time CAREFREE MINDED, baee guru di gal hai, it is hard for guru lovers to STOP...............................

humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness

Surinder Kaur Cheema · #49 (**permalink**) 21-12-2007, 06:37 PM

Frum Leaders thanks a lot for adding translation and english version for Gurbani...

thanks

namjap · #50 (**permalink**) 21-12-2007, 06:39 PM

click here > Waho Waho Bani Nirankar Hai