Quote”And I do not agree. I think many Sikhs do not even understand concept of dasam duar, or Naam, or amrit trickling down the throat, or yugs, or how Guru's could be one Jyot, or how Guru could speak from God-consciousness without physically being God, or how Guru is different from previous avatars, etc. without having some basic understanding of the Vedic concepts as they are used in Gurbani and in supportive vaaran. These are not meaningless concepts to be discarded or they would not be in Gurbani.
Important is to inch toward Dasam duar not just to word its concept, it is an effort, it is a sincere faith, its unconditional love that lead to that, not any kind of vast knowledge of Vedas and Abrahamic theories which can be helpful. Those who walk towards HIM in intoxication of HIS love, their world is changed. Many are following without Veda Knowledge, the one who have or boast about knowledge, I have seen stumbling them every day, that is my observation, just contrary to yours.


Quote”Didn't you write on another post that simply sharing these things would cause Sikhs to run to a Hindu mandir and become Hindus?

Please reread it, it is a different message, it is about those innocents who just are in love with Guru and want to follow him instead of digging wisdom of those scriptures in which human sacrifices and other obscenity are advocated( Atharva VedaDr.Ambedkar).
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What can I do? Accept your imaginative meanings? Here is another recommendation, please read aad0002 ji’s on “three qualities of Maya” she has explained beautifully without slipping into imaginative worlds.
Why put down the high compliment you paid to Aad0002 by including put down of me personally? Why not simply say, "I prefer this view?"
Here is a reason, you have failed to understand any thing I said in the past, in this context, you do not see the reason I referred aad0002's commentary. We are discussing terminology and their references used in Gurbani, in this context,I felt “Treguna” also falls in this category.. Very carefully aad0002 keeps explaining it with examples and precise comments, not once she involves in a kind of digging into Hinduism as we both do. My compliments are more addressed to her approach than to her. What you have noted here? ONLY SHE! I have regard for you, why should you even think I could put you down?


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You did not prove. I am not persuaded. Not only in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but also in Dasam Granth Bani Ji and vaaran of Bhai Gurdas Ji is there reference to avtaaras. I don't believe you understand the concept. You think I'm distorting Gurbani. We cannot continue further, since neither will persuade the other.
As you wish, I am not here to pursue any one, just share and appose if any one try to quote Gurbani but fails to convey Guru message.


Why does it offend you so much that I have a different opinion? I'm nowhere attacking you personally except to try and answer objections. Why should I be defensive? Agree or don't agree.
I am not offended by your opinion at all, there are some issues, I agree with you too but it were your questions with implied meaning that just disturbed me. If I disagree with you about your advocacy that GOD takes birth, why should the religion is brought into context to question it? If Gurbani is misunderstood, why is it necessary to ask if it is fake? Did I ever ask you such questions? If I did, I must feel sorry for it because that is not what you think as per my understanding.
You did not prove. I am not persuaded. Not only in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but also in Dasam Granth Bani Ji and vaaran of Bhai Gurdas Ji is there reference to avtaaras. I don't believe you understand the concept. You think I'm distorting Gurbani. We cannot continue further, since neither will persuade the other.

As You wish, I shall respect that.
Gurbani says this, not me. But you are so busy being offended and rejecting that you can't see it.
Why would I be busy being offended,? You have put a smile on my face, thanks. You can have this opinion about me, it doesn’t change the truth. I just resent bringing any whole community or religion just to trash it. I may disagree with all other faiths but I do respect them since this is also HIS Ordinance. If your intention was otherwise as you state, I thank you and sorry if there was any misunderstanding.
ਏਕਕ੍ਰਿਸਨੰਸਰਬਦੇਵਾਦੇਵਦੇਵਾਤਆਤਮਾ॥
eaek kirasanan sarab dhaevaa dhaev dhaevaa th aathamaa ||
The One Lord Krishna is the Divine Lord of all; He is the Divinity of the individual soul.

ਆਤਮਾਬਾਸੁਦੇਵਸ੍ਯ੍ਯਿਜੇਕੋਜਾਣੈਭੇਉ॥ਨਾਨਕੁਤਾਕਾਦਾਸੁਹੈਸੋਈਨਿਰੰਜਨਦੇਉ॥੪॥
aathamaa baasudhaevasiy jae ko jaanai bhaeo || naanak thaa kaa dhaas hai soee niranjan dhaeo ||4||
Nanak is a slave to anyone who understands this mystery of the all-pervading Lord; he himself is the Immaculate Divine Lord. ||4||
~SGGS Ji p. 469
In the above quote by you as per Dr Sahib Singh ji, Bhai Veer Singh ji,” Krishan” word is an attribute to WAHEGURU, here it means The Creator is soul of Devtas and their Devtas. Nanak says only those get liberated who understand this mystery of all pervading GOD. Again it is about HIS sargun sroop, many just cannot comprehend it. Here Gurbani doesn’t say what you are advocating. On the same page, Guru ji keeps commenting on these but at the end of the Shabad he gives his own views, the best one in pursuit of HIM( GGS JI 469-470)
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Quote“Of course He takes birth.”
This is open opposition of Sikhism’s basic principle- HE is Ajooni, Swambh” (beyond Birth and is from Himself Self illumined)
Quote “He created Himself in the creation. In His Parabrahm aspect He is uncreated and cannot be born. But no one in sansaara could perceive Him. So He became manifest descending Light into the darkness of sansaaric world. And this is the meaning of avataar. Not that avataar is the Parabrahm, only the sargun form which is perceivable.

Many times I told you that you could use words like” transcend, manifest” but not “takes Birth”, for His Sargun Sroop and you cannot say HE takes birth individually and leaves rest of the world unattended. Mystery of His Nirgun and Sargun sroop is very vital to understand. Peoples are not only saved by Him through Avtaras and Prophets but through many saints and other humanitarians too. He has ways to do things, His game goes on. If one says HE takes birth, obviously he/she is standing against” Guru ji’s own declaration about HIM” AJOONI, SWAMBH” These people known as Avtaras were and worshiped and the real Creator was and is put at the backside. Here Guru ji says that these were merely HIS creation, worship the Creator not creation. If we believe HE takes birth, and HE took birth as Krishna, Rama, Vishnu etc, there is no reason left not to worship them as HIM but Gurbani says otherwise. Confusion is just because of this Sargun Sroop in which HE manifests but individually doesn’t take birth. When you support HE took birth in their forms, you are aligning with Hindu thought. Then you say Guru is above, HE is above, who will listen to this mix up music?? None, they would go to Mandir to start the trade as usual.(GGSJI 1283)
If you say He manifests in all, but individually HE doesn’t take birth, I agree.
t seems you cannot accept where Gurbani is saying Nirgun Parabrahm has created the creation and is manifest in His creation and that creation and Hindu devtas are none other than He. So I presume this to be an Abrahamic concept that One God is forever separate from His creation.
Presumption can be wrong. Abrahamic thought has failed to decipher the meaning of the Totality of the Infinite, so they see HIM separate, that is why there are seven days etc stories. Here He and His creation, is actually one, some thing comes out of it and goes into it back. Hard to understand but who experienced it, tried to explain it as much as they could. Here in America, a Native American has become my friend, whenever I discussed spiritual topics, he liked it. He said to me” we believe in the same kind of Super Power, Super Spirit” I agreed, in a way. Then as talk proceeded I just said to him” I think your ancestors are more right about Super Spirit than Christians” He said,” no one said that”. I said” Well, I feel so, this is the way I look at it, the idea is more explicit in your ancestor’s point of view than theirs”. He said “ there are other things you may not like it” I said” May be it is culture, it is always different place to place, There are many things, what our ancestors adored, but we may dislike them.” He agreed. He expressed his displeasure about what they went through. I told him to take it as Super Spirit’s Ordinance, when you love Super spirit, regardless what it gives, must be accepted happily. He was just quiet, may be he disagreed or may be he did misunderstand me. Whenever I meet Him, he respects me a lot and says he can relate himself to me. So it is matter of understanding the truth regardless the way it is said.
Since Sikh's have the One Ek Oangkar and not the Hindu's, maybe they should convert?
I don’t think on others behalf.
It's a logical step following the presumption that Hindu devas are only corrupted
Do you think they are pure and above Maya?
or mythological, and a true distortion of Gurbani teaching about manifestation of Parabrahm Jyot in Time-Space and thus falling into the three gunas and duality. Gurbani says Guruji brought us the Shabad-Jyot and this Naam which is vibrating in the nirgun as well as the sargun and remains the only boat which is uncorrupted. Nowhere does Gurbani say Hindu devas are invalid, unreal, and provided no Light of God for past ages.
No where Gurbani says dig them out either.
Now here below I am giving you the same Guru Vaak in which, Guru ji questions about KalYug, very logically he says,” nothing is changed, same Sun rises, same Moon, no body has seen Kalyug sitting some where”. Why he is saying that? Why he is just not saying, “yes Kalyug was there, or it is here”. His concern is not Kalyug but the time when HE is ignored, it is Kalyug, when HE is loved and praised it is goof time or age. Please reread it in that CONTEXT; very beautifully Guru ji expressed his views on a prevailed termology. I would love to quote italian Critic who surprisingly says the same thing on art as i have been trying to say in context of understanding Gurbani( Poetry form= art), here is his views ”work of art is an image, created in the mind of the artist and communicated to the minds of audience, only the image is a work of art; the physical object- painting, piece of scrulpture, or other form- is merely a practical act to aid reproduction of the image. Benedetto Croce. So it is not the words that deserve importance but the message Guru ji conveys.

ਕਿਤੈਦੇਸਿਨਆਇਆਸੁਣੀਐਤੀਰਥਪਾਸਿਨਬੈਠਾ॥
कितैदेसिनआइआसुणीऐतीरथपासिनबैठा॥
Kiṯai ḏės na ā*i*ā suṇī*ai ṯirath pās na baiṯẖā.
The Darkage is not heard visiting any country or sitting at any shrine.
ਕਲਯੁਗਕਿਸੇਮੁਲਕਵਿੱਚਆਇਆਜਾਂਕਿਸੇ ਧਰਮਅਸਥਾਨਤੇਬੈਠਾਹੋਇਆਸੁਣਿਆਂਨਹੀਂਜਾਣਾ।

ਦਾਤਾਦਾਨੁਕਰੇਤਹਨਾਹੀਮਹਲਉਸਾਰਿਨਬੈਠਾ॥੨॥
दातादानुकरेतहनाहीमहलउसारिनबैठा॥२॥
Ḏāṯā ḏān karė ṯah nāhī mahal usār na baiṯẖā. ||2||
It is not there, where the man of bounty practises charity, nor it is seated in the mansion, built by it.
ਇਹਉਥੇਨਹੀਂਜਿਥੇਦਾਨੀਪੁਰਸ਼ਪੁੱਨਦਾਨਕਰਦਾਹੈ, ਨਾਂਹੀਇਹਮੰਦਰਬਣਾਕੇਉਸਅੰਦਰਬੈਠਾਹੈ।
As You feel I follow your posts, I humbly ask you” are you saying I should ignore your posts?”
If answer is yes, I shall never ever dare to read or comment on your posts, I shall honor your wish gladly after all you are my intelligent GurSikh fellow Sister, all I have is regard for you. I thank you for sharing your views with me though.

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HAR bisrat sda khuari Mehla 5
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ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
रामकली महला ५ ॥
Raamkalee, Fifth Mehl:

ਜੋ ਕਿਛੁ ਕਰੈ ਸੋਈ ਸੁਖੁ ਜਾਨਾ ॥
जो किछु करै सोई सुखु जाना ॥
Whatever He does makes me happy.

ਮਨੁ ਅਸਮਝੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਪਤੀਆਨਾ ॥
मनु असमझु साधसंगि पतीआना ॥
The ignorant mind is encouraged, in the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy.

ਡੋਲਨ ਤੇ ਚੂਕਾ ਠਹਰਾਇਆ ॥
डोलन ते चूका ठहराइआ ॥
Now, it does not waver at all; it has become stable and steady.

ਸਤਿ ਮਾਹਿ ਲੇ ਸਤਿ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
सति माहि ले सति समाइआ ॥१॥
Receiving Truth, it is merged in the True Lord. ||1||

ਦੂਖੁ ਗਇਆ ਸਭੁ ਰੋਗੁ ਗਇਆ ॥
दूखु गइआ सभु रोगु गइआ ॥
Pain is gone, and all illness is gone.

ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਆਗਿਆ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਮਾਨੀ ਮਹਾ ਪੁਰਖ ਕਾ ਸੰਗੁ ਭਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
प्रभ की आगिआ मन महि मानी महा पुरख का संगु भइआ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
I have accepted the Will of God in my mind, associating with the Great Person, the Guru. ||1||Pause||


While doing some research on 'Saint' I have come across the above lines and shall be grateful if some light is thrown on the line that is colored in Blue. The literal translation or the literal meaning may not be acceptable as per Sikh philosophy. I submit this for the kind guidance of the learned members.

It also to be noted that the Gurmukhi line does not refer to Guru.It simply refers to Maha-Purukh. The translator has taken the liberty of presuming that maha Purukh is Guru. To this extent there is some variation in Gurmukhi and English Lines. The line in Gurmukhi has no mention of maha purukh as guru.

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~~~**Jap mun Satnaam sda Satnaam...sda satnaam sda satnaam.....~~~

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~~~**Jap mun Satnaam sda Satnaam...sda satnaam sda satnaam.....~~~

pauVI ] (947-10)
Pauree:


scY qKqu rcwieAw bYsx kau jWeI ] (947-10, rwmklI, mÚ 3)
The True Lord created His throne, upon which He sits.


sBu ikCu Awpy Awip hY gur sbid suxweI ] (947-11, rwmklI, mÚ 3)
He Himself is everything; this is what the Word of the Guru's Shabad says.


Awpy kudriq swjIAnu kir mhl srweI ] (947-11, rwmklI, mÚ 3)
Through His almighty creative power, He created and fashioned the mansions and hotels.


cMdu sUrju duie cwnxy pUrI bxq bxweI ] (947-12, rwmklI, mÚ 3)
He made the two lamps, the sun and the moon; He formed the perfect form.

Awpy vyKY suxy Awip gur sbid iDAweI ]1] (947-12, rwmklI, mÚ 3)
He Himself sees, and He Himself hears; meditate on the Word of the Guru's Shabad. ||1||


vwhu vwhu scy pwiqswh qU scI nweI ]1] rhwau ] (947-13, rwmklI, mÚ 3)
Waaho! Waaho! Hail, hail, O True King! True is Your Name. ||1||Pause||


What is the meaning of the colored line. ?
Why should the Lord meditate upon Guru Shabad and what is Guru shabad in the present context.? Is Guru here the Lord HIMSELF?


May kindly opine.

Wjkk Wjkf

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~~~**Jap mun Satnaam sda Satnaam...sda satnaam sda satnaam.....~~~

GurFateh

The meaning as assigned by Dr. Sahib Singh ji is given below.If the following translation/commentary is taken to be ideal/perfect in that case the above Translation in English is only a meaningless mess.
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ਸਦਾ ਕਾਇਮ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਨੇ ਇਹ (ਜਗਤ-ਰੂਪ) ਤਖ਼ਤ ਆਪਣੇ ਬੈਠਣ ਲਈ ਥਾਂ ਬਣਾਇਆ ਹੈ। (ਇਸ ਜਗਤ ਵਿਚ) ਹਰੇਕ ਚੀਜ਼ ਉਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਆਪਣਾ ਹੀ ਸਰੂਪ ਹੈ-ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਨੇ ਦੱਸੀ ਹੈ। ਇਹ ਸਾਰੀ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਉਸ ਨੇ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਪੈਦਾ ਕੀਤੀ ਹੈ, (ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਦੇ ਸਾਰੇ ਰੁੱਖ ਬਿਰਖ ਆਦਿਕ, ਮਾਨੋ, ਰਹਿਣ ਲਈ ਉਸ ਨੇ) ਮਹਲ ਮਾੜੀਆਂ ਬਣਾਏ ਹਨ; ਇਹਨਾਂ ਮਹਲ ਮਾੜੀਆਂ (ਵਿਚ) ਚੰਦ ਤੇ ਸੂਰਜ ਦੋਵੇਂ (ਮਾਨੋ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਜਗਾਏ ਹੋਏ) ਦੀਵੇ ਹਨ। (ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੇ ਕੁਦਰਤਿ ਦੀ ਸਾਰੀ) ਬਣਤਰ ਮੁਕੰਮਲ ਬਣਾਈ ਹੋਈ ਹੈ। (ਇਸ ਵਿਚ ਬੈਠ ਕੇ) ਆਪ ਹੀ ਵੇਖ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ, ਆਪ ਹੀ ਸੁਣ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ; ਉਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਸ਼ਬਦ ਦੀ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਧਿਆਇਆ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ।
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It is further to be noted that the words like Satguru and Lord are two different entities.[It is in reference to the thread Who is Guru in Sikhism].I shall post this in the same as well.In the following lines at ang948 the same meaning is conveyed that through Satguru one is able to establish HIM in the mind.


ਮਃ ੩ ॥ ਧੰਧਾ ਧਾਵਤ ਦਿਨੁ ਗਇਆ ਰੈਣਿ ਗਵਾਈ ਸੋਇ ॥ ਕੂੜੁ ਬੋਲਿ ਬਿਖੁ ਖਾਇਆ ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਚਲਿਆ ਰੋਇ ॥ ਸਿਰੈ ਉਪਰਿ ਜਮ ਡੰਡੁ ਹੈ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ਪਤਿ ਖੋਇ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਚੇਤਿਓ ਫਿਰਿ ਆਵਣ ਜਾਣਾ ਹੋਇ ॥ਗੁਰ ਪਰਸਾਦੀ ਹਰਿ ਮਨਿ ਵਸੈ ਜਮ ਡੰਡੁ ਨ ਲਾਗੈ ਕੋਇ ॥ ਨਾਨਕ ਸਹਜੇ ਮਿਲਿ ਰਹੈ ਕਰਮਿ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥


ਜੋ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਆਪਣੇ ਮਨ ਦੇ ਪਿੱਛੇ ਤੁਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਦਾ (ਸਾਰਾ) ਦਿਨ (ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦੇ) ਧੰਧਿਆਂ ਵਿਚ ਭਟਕਦਿਆਂ ਬੀਤ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ, ਤੇ ਰਾਤ ਨੂੰ ਉਹ ਸੌਂ ਕੇ ਗੰਵਾ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ, (ਇਹਨਾਂ ਧੰਧਿਆਂ ਵਿਚ ਪਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ) ਝੂਠ ਬੋਲ ਕੇ ਜ਼ਹਿਰ ਖਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ (ਭਾਵ, ਦੁਨੀਆ ਦੇ ਪਦਾਰਥ ਮਾਣਦਾ ਹੈ) ਤੇ (ਅੰਤ ਨੂੰ ਏਥੋਂ) ਰੋ ਕੇ ਤੁਰ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ; ਉਸ ਦੇ ਸਿਰ ਉਤੇ ਮੌਤ ਦਾ ਡੰਡਾ (ਤਿਆਰ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ) ਹੈ, (ਭਾਵ, ਹਰ ਵੇਲੇ ਮੌਤ ਤੋਂ ਡਰਦਾ ਹੈ), (ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨੂੰ ਵਿਸਾਰ ਕੇ) ਹੋਰ ਵਿਚ ਪਿਆਰ ਦੇ ਕਾਰਣ (ਆਪਣੀ) ਇੱਜ਼ਤ ਗੰਵਾ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ; ਉਸ ਨੇ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਤਾਂ ਕਦੇ ਯਾਦ ਨਹੀਂ ਕੀਤਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ (ਇਸ ਲਈ) ਮੁੜ ਮੁੜ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਦਾ ਗੇੜ (ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਨਸੀਬ) ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ। (ਪਰ ਜਿਸ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦੇ) ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਮੇਹਰ ਨਾਲ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਵੱਸਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਕੋਈ ਮੌਤ ਦਾ ਡੰਡਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਲੱਗਦਾ (ਭਾਵ, ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਮੌਤ ਡਰਾ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਕਦੀ) ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਉਹ ਅਡੋਲ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਵਿਚ ਟਿਕਿਆ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ (ਇਹ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ) ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੀ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਨਾਲ ਮਿਲ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ।੨।


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The following lines are also suggestive of the above concept,howsoever, confusing it may look. Dr. Sahib singh ji has also preferred to not to enter into any controversy and has not assigned any sort of explanation and has only used the terms as has been mentioned in Bani.

May be I am yet to understand things.


ਮਃ ੩ ॥ ਮਨਮੁਖ ਬੋਲਿ ਨ ਜਾਣਨੀ ਓਨਾ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ॥ ਓਇ ਥਾਉ ਕੁਥਾਉ ਨ ਜਾਣਨੀ ਉਨ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਲੋਭੁ ਵਿਕਾਰੁ ॥ ਓਇ ਆਪਣੈ ਸੁਆਇ ਆਇ ਬਹਿ ਗਲਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਓਨਾ ਮਾਰੇ ਜਮੁ ਜੰਦਾਰੁ ॥ ਅਗੈ ਦਰਗਹ ਲੇਖੈ ਮੰਗਿਐ ਮਾਰਿ ਖੁਆਰੁ ਕੀਚਹਿ ਕੂੜਿਆਰ ॥ ਏਹ ਕੂੜੈ ਕੀ ਮਲੁ ਕਿਉ ਉਤਰੈ ਕੋਈ ਕਢਹੁ ਇਹੁ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਮਿਲੈ ਤਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਦਿੜਾਏ ਸਭਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਕਟਣਹਾਰੁ ॥ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪੇ ਨਾਮੋ ਆਰਾਧੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਜਨ ਕਉ ਕਰਹੁ ਸਭਿ ਨਮਸਕਾਰੁ ॥ ਮਲੁ ਕੂੜੀ ਨਾਮਿ ਉਤਾਰੀਅਨੁ ਜਪਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੋਆ ਸਚਿਆਰੁ ॥ ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਏਹਿ ਚਲਤ ਹਹਿ ਸੋ ਜੀਵਉ ਦੇਵਣਹਾਰੁ ॥੨॥


ਜੋ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਆਪਣੇ ਮਨ ਦੇ ਪਿੱਛੇ ਤੁਰਦੇ ਹਨ ਚੂੰਕਿ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਦੇ ਮਨ ਵਿਚ ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧ ਅਹੰਕਾਰ ਤੇ ਲੋਭ ਵਿਕਾਰ ਪ੍ਰਬਲ ਹਨ ਉਹ ਨਾਹ ਹੀ ਥਾਂ ਕੁਥਾਂ ਸਮਝਦੇ ਹਨ ਤੇ ਨਾਹ ਹੀ ਸਮੇ-ਸਿਰ ਢੁਕਦੀ ਗੱਲ ਕਰਨੀ ਜਾਣਦੇ ਹਨ; (ਜਿਥੇ ਭੀ) ਉਹ ਆ ਕੇ ਬੈਠਦੇ ਹਨ (ਸਤਸੰਗ ਵਿਚ ਆਉਣ ਤਾਂ ਭੀ) ਆਪਣੇ ਸੁਆਰਥ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਹੀ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ, (ਸੋ ਹਰ ਵੇਲੇ) ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਡਰਾਉਣਾ ਜਮ ਮਾਰਦਾ ਰਹਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ (ਭਾਵ, ਹਰ ਵੇਲੇ ਆਤਮਕ ਮੌਤ ਉਹਨਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਦਬਾਈ ਰੱਖਦੀ ਹੈ); ਅਗਾਂਹ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਹਜ਼ੂਰੀ ਵਿਚ ਲੇਖਾ ਮੰਗਿਆ ਜਾਣ ਤੇ ਉਹ ਕੂੜ ਦੇ ਵਪਾਰੀ ਮਾਰ ਮਾਰ ਕੇ ਖ਼ੁਆਰ ਕੀਤੇ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ। ਕੋਈ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਇਹ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਦੱਸੇ ਕਿ ਇਹ ਕੂੜ ਦੀ ਮੈਲ (ਭਾਵ, ਉਹਨਾਂ ਪਦਾਰਥਾਂ ਦਾ ਮੋਹ ਜੋ ਨਾਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਨਿਭਣੇ) ਕਿਵੇਂ ਦੂਰ ਹੋਵੇ। ਜੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਮਿਲ ਪਏ ਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ (ਹਿਰਦੇ ਵਿਚ) ਪੱਕਾ ਬਿਠਾ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਹੈ (ਗੁਰੂ ਇਹ ਗੱਲ ਨਿਸ਼ਚੇ ਕਰਾ ਦੇਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ) 'ਨਾਮ' ਸਾਰੇ ਪਾਪਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਕੱਟਣ ਦੇ ਸਮਰੱਥ ਹੈ। (ਸੋ, ਗੁਰੂ ਦੇ ਸਨਮੁਖ ਹੋ ਕੇ) ਜੋ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਦਾ ਹੈ ਨਾਮ ਹੀ ਸਿਮਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੂੰ ਸਾਰੇ ਸਿਰ ਨਿਵਾਓ, ਕੂੜੇ ਪਦਾਰਥਾਂ (ਦੇ ਮੋਹ) ਦੀ ਮੈਲ ਉਸ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਨੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਦੀ ਰਾਹੀਂ ਉਤਾਰ ਲਈ ਹੈ, ਨਾਮ ਜਪ ਕੇ ਉਹ ਸੱਚ ਦਾ ਵਪਾਰੀ ਬਣ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ। ਹੇ ਦਾਸ ਨਾਨਕ! (ਅਰਦਾਸ ਕਰ ਕਿ) ਜਿਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਵਿਚ ਇਹ ਬਰਕਤਾਂ ਹਨ ਉਹ ਦਾਤਾ ਜੀਊਂਦਾ ਰਹੇ (ਭਾਵ, ਸਦਾ ਅਸਾਡੇ ਸਿਰ ਤੇ ਹੱਥ ਰੱਖੀ ਰੱਖੇ)।੨।


Wjkk WjkF


Note:
Respected Pk70 ji,

Thanks for your contribution to the thread of 'Who is Guru in Sikhism'. After discussing the same in detail in that thread I feel that I stand fairly answered. One may proceed if one likes.

Regards

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