Gurbani Vichaar

kds ji

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Thank you Antonia ji. But I must confess that I made a mistake by not posting feb-10
gurbani vichaar.

So we can read the same ones again. Won't hurt to do that.

KDS1980,Ji,
I have been going thru your postings on Gurbaani Vichar.Your deep interest in Gurbaani is very much appreciated.You are also right to say that there should be people for proper interpretation of Gurbaani .I think you yourself can be a guide for Gurbaani interpretation.
In fact there is a bit need to grasp the grammatical pattern of Gurbaani words so that a meaning more close to Gurmat can be presented.We should make an attempt to first understand the most BASIC fundamentals of the grammer of Gurbaani language then you will be surprised to get the meanings very different than interpretations made without consideration of grammer.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/17943-gurbani-vichaar.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=17943
This is my suggestion only.With best wishes

Prakash.S.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga Ji,
I tried to contact you on your email - it was not accepted by the computer. I also sent a personal mail on the SPN system - I have not had a response back yet.
So before starting a new thread - I looked into what was available and it seems this may be the place to share the knowledge on Grammar of Gurmukhi.
Please follow up the discussion started on 'One Infinite Creator in Sikhism. What does it mean?' at http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showth...0&goto=newpost

Thanks for your contact in context of our interaction.I would suggest you to interact in Quiz form in tha subject so that interaction becomes interesting.
Since as such grammar is the most boring subject for most of us but its significance can not be undermined when interprating Gurbanee.

To start ,we can understand as to how the words are generally classified
in any grammar.Fundamentally we can know that the words as basically classifiedas
According to Gender as Masculine/Feminine or Common gender as Neutral
According to Numbers as SINGULAR/PLURAL
According to character as NOUN/ADJECTIVE/VERB/ADVERB/PREPOSISION etc.
In Gurbanee also the words are found to have been used as per above grammar.In Gurbanee the words have been used along with a particular matra to assert grammatical role in directing the meaning of particular words,
The most common matras used for this grammatical indications are
Matra of AUKAD/Dulakad
Matra of Sihari/Bihari
Matra of Lawa ./dulawa
Matra of other vowels related to a and o.

The most important grammatical indications are that of matra Aukad/Dulakad and Matra of Sihari /Biharee.These matra are related to vowels "u" and "i'.
You will notice that nearly 70% of Gurbanee words are related to these two grammatcal vowels.So if we can understand the grammar of these two vowels most of Gurbanee understanding can become clear.

Pl share your views for further interaction.
Prakash.s.Bagga

prakash.s.bagga Ji,
The vowels add accent to the words. Further is the change of meaning by use of the vowels for example:
gur, guru, guru qy nwm, nwmu, nwmU, nwim
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=17943
It is the change of the meaning that causes confusion in the interpretation of words in Gurbani. May be we can discuss these by applying a general rule or menings of these words before we go deeper into the sentences that use these words.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=17943
I consider the words to be related to each other, may be if that is not correct please comment.

As we share our views in english where Gurbanee words are given in Roman script.We should first agree to the correct depiction of Gurbanee words in Roman along with proper indication of matra as per Gurmukhi script of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji .Then it would be easy for us understand the application of grammar.

How would you like to write the word GuR with a matra of Aukad under its last letter R and with Matra of Dulakad under its last letter R.
You can observe that in Gurmukhi script the Word GuR with a matra of Aukad there is a single line under its last letter whereas for the word GuR with matra of Dulakad there are two lines under its last letter R.

You can give me your input in this regard so that I would follow that for further interaction.
Prakash.S.Bagga

Prakash.S.Bagga ji got to be careful. We cannot keep inventing things. There is something called Phonetics. Non-English speaking and non-experts in this have little to add other than make mistakes as has been done by your good self in using capital and lower case letters. That is not the science of phonetics. See Dr. Thind's attempt at Srigranth.org. There are phonetic accents that are used in addition to alphabet.

When one wants to translate sounds from another language (Gurmukhi in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) to English equivalent there is lot more involved than just upper case and lower case letters.

Sat Sri Akal.