Halal or Not Halal: What is the Difference? By Amar Prakash Singh

My view is this.

I genuinly wish all the major faiths of the world Islam, Hinduism, Christianity all the best.

I also wish to clear up misconceptions about the Sikh faith without attacking any other faith.

 
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Randip Singh

Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night.
They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom.
Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Page 1289
Fools Who Wrangle Over Flesh

Thank you for your thoughtful words about Halal or Not Halal.
I thought I would share my thoughts that may be of use to Vegetarians.
Firstly I must point out to the vegetarians here that they have not escaped Halal by simply avoiding meat. E-numbers or E-Codes signify E-Ingredients - are all additives in foods that can sometimes be produced from animal by-products!
The halal industry have been developing substitutes for these from animals that have been Religiously Slaughtered or alternative Vegetable by-products which are put into foods that can then be Halal Certified.
So Are You Eating HALAL VEGETABLES... maybe those potatoes were grown in Halal Bonemeal... We really need to check the source of what we are buying, because we have UNLABELLED HALAL PRODUCTS THROUGHOUT OUR FOOD CHAIN!
Some vegetarian products just happen to be halal eg. because they do not contain Gum from animal Fat, Lard, Gelatine from Lard or Calf Skin or Shortening (animal) - other vegetarian products containing alcohol would not conform to Islamic Law & would be Haram. Well these two kinds of vegetarian products would be OK to eat.

This article is from a muslim who is concerned about Pork additives -
See the end of the article for E Codes that contain Pig Fat... not that we need to worry about this unless you are vegetarian or a muslim.
http://www.yanabi.com/forum/337461/W...odesareprinted
As usual there is TAQIYYA used in that article... Truth mixed with Lies... The author of that last article is not being completely truthful. Many of the E-numbers listed do not relate to animal products. Some come from milk, which is most likely of bovine origin.
For example, E153 is Vegetable carbon, E214 is Ethyl p-hydroxybenzoate (A type of alcohol). Neither of those are from animal sources. E327 Calcium lactate is from milk, not pig fat!
Here's a list of E-numbers:
http://www.reading.ac.uk/foodlaw/additive.htm
and another one laid out differently, for cross-referencing:
http://www.ukfoodguide.net/enumeric.htm
*Some E-Numbers are missing from those lists and may need to be searched for elsewhere. I do not know why they are missing.

We have to remember the diet industry has more fraud than any other industry. Most articles are sponsored by companies with their own agendas.

Here are the 2010 HALAL RULES & List of E CODES - Rules of Halal Slaughter - Muslims only allowed in the slaughter, Diagrams of how to cut necks of animals, the level of low current for electrically stunning chickens, terminology, List of E CODE ingredients from pages 29-54.
http://www.jummahmasjid.org/docs/Jum...cil%202010.pdf
The important products to avoid if we want to BOYCOTT HALAL are the Halal Branded Products and Food outlets & stores that promote Halal rather than normal products.

Food Guide & E-Numbers List
This section has lists of Food suitable for Vegetarians (this may or may not contain alcohol) and Muslims (Halaal lists - as vegetarian with no alcohol).
The following is a list of products containing animal by-products, such as animal fat, gelatine and fatty acids (fats). It is by no means certain that they are Haraam.

http://www.kingstonmosque.org.uk/Food/index.htm

Many non-meat foods can be halal... take for example these Halal Haribos for Muslim children...
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/16239-halal-not-halal-what-difference-amar.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-children.html
Old article - but clear example of HALAL LABELLING - the difference here is that HALAL Gelatine used in these halal sweeties - See about that here: http://www.ochef.com/909.htm
German firm Haribo, formed in 1920, is one of Europe's biggest sweet manufacturers, selling its products in more than 150 countries.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16239

Hope that this has given you that are vegetarians some Food For Thought & if you care where the profits go that are on foods that you buy, then I think you will choose to avoid Halal Products... well as much as you can, because the more you look into the Food Chain, the more you will find so many Unlabelled Halal products.
If you want change please write to your MPs & MEPs & insist that Ritually Slaughtered meats & Bi-Products are clearly labelled RS. We don't need expensive Halal Certification... we just want it to be labelled in plain English. Find out who your representatives are in England on this website... www.writetothem.com

NOTE: My answer is to the post that Randip Singh was replying to...

Now we get to the issue of blood...

Note that ALL food animals are exsanguinated!!!

The red stuff which leaches out of meats is not blood - it's linign, a breakdown of protein (meat): don't tell me you've never noticed that this red stuff doesn't clot - or that it doesn't turn black when subjected to heat. Blood clots when exposed to air thanks to the thrombokinase and prothrombin contents, and turns black when exposed to heat or digestive processes due to the haemoglobin.

As for sacrifical animals not feeling any pain, see this:
http://issuu.com/florencebergeaud-bl...inary-concerns

I think the key is freedom of choice.

findingmyway ji's why freedom of choice if a process is clearly confirmed to be cruelty to animals? An animal is not died for a while in Halal and people watching it (for public sacrifice) actually enjoy the bloody and gory scene as blood is supposed to take the evil and animal's soul out with it in this spectacle.

The same culture then sees nothing wrong with dragging dead bodies of US soldiers in the streets in Somalia or desecration of dead bodies of Kafirs (all of us) who are not muslims as the Kafirs are equaled to animals.

I think there is a wise saying that true sensibility of a culture is defined by

.... How they treat the animals!

Sorry but I can not sugar coat some of this.

Sat Sri Akal.

Ambarsaria ji,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16239
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16239
The which way is more cruel debate goes round and round in circles so that is not the way to achieve what we want as it goes nowhere. It is not upto us to dictate to Muslims that they cannot eat halal as we perceive it to be more cruel. Do you think some US and UK soldiers have behaved in a way that is any less horrific? Culture and religion are not the same. When we are trying to separate Sikhism from bad cultural practices then it is not right that we don't do the same to Muslims. I know many Muslims who do not agree with cruelty to other people whatever the circumstances. A more realistic outcome is freedom of choice for whoever wants to eat halal and for those who do not want to eat halal.

findingmyway ji it does not have to do the following,

In this case cruelty to animals is defined by the host country or the country people reside in. Why would Muslim states not allow non-Halal meat? Because each country has some rights in such areas. What is good for the Goose is good for the Gander!

Sat Sri Akal.

The issue becomes more heated as a controversy because options are closed down for those who do not want to eat halal. That is the point made by findingmyway ji. Events in Britain are making is less not more likely that those who choose to eat meat, Sikh or Muslim or otherwise, will have any choices. Perhaps the choice becomes to refrain from meat. Why should that be the default for those who do not want to eat halal for religious or moral reasons? Between government tactics that (e.g., making halal in school lunchrooms the only meat choice to curry favor with voters, and corporate tactics that seem to be making business decisions in favor of halal because of profitable markets, freedom to choose is going under the knife along with the animals.

The fight is not against flesh & blood, but must be against Islamic ideology, the dictates of Sharia Law & Halal.
The British people have aimed to be tolerant with all faiths and cultures.
However it is not so much the people, but the Labour Government & the EU, that have embraced globalism, multiculturalism & political correctness... now we have to somehow deal with the consequences.
Profits from Halal do not benefit the British economy, but are stored on Halal Bonds & Halal Gold & Silver Dinars & the indirect ZAKAT TAX is also applied, one eighth of which goes to Islamic Freedom Fighters like the Mujahideen!
http://www.halaljournal.com/article/...as-halal-money
British Law states that ALL livestock must be stunned before slaughter, but the following amendment was made to accommodate the dietary requirements of Muslims & Jews as follows...
UK Statutory Instrument 1995
No. 731 The Welfare of Animals (Slaughter or Killing) Regulations 1995, SCHEDULE 12 Regulations 21 and 22
ADDITIONAL PROVISIONS FOR SLAUGHTER BY A RELIGIOUS METHOD specifies that meat is slaughtered by a muslim - for the food of muslims (or by a jew - for the food of jews).
Nowhere does it state that the religious exemption can be used to slaughter for the mass market.
The Halal Slaughterhouses are getting around the law by giving a low-stun before the blessing to Allah & cutting the throat of animals. To be halal the animal must be conscious throughout - so this low-stun makes the animal's plight even worse... unable to move or vocalise, but conscious of the entire bloody ritual!
Britain is a secular society based on Christian principles and it is extremely disrespectful of some in the muslim community to think that they can try to take control of our food chain in the way they are trying to do.
95% of the UK population are NOT muslim and these consumers are not interested in any kind of Religious Regulation or Certification in the name of allah or anyone else.
How dare the World Halal Forum designate the UK to be a pilot project (2009 WHF) and then last year declare that they aim to "Take Halal Mainstream in the UK... and then Europe"
There are two issues here. The ethical issue of animal cruelty in ritual slaughter and the lack of transparency in Labelling RS meat and its products.
This article, Halal: The most humane slaughter, has been discredited by more recent scientific research:
http://www.halaljournal.com/article/...mane-slaughter
UNLABELLED Halal has been sold & fed to unsuspecting shoppers & consumers throughout the UK for over ten years, but especially in the last five years... AND they dared to even shove it down the throats of our elected politicians in the House of Commons - which made them very angry (unlike the Scottish Parliament who have foolishly accepted going halal at Holyrood).
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/posts/vie...at-on-the-sly/
...But that was last November & since then there seems to be a distinct lack of news about Halal Meat AND still no transparency in labelling.
The British public need to know what they are eating and I would encourage you to write, ring and speak to your representatives in power, suppliers and food outlets about the need for an RS Label on anything that is Ritually Slaughtered or any Product that has a Religious Standard... ie. Halal.
I'm not so interested in protesting about the Kosher trade... the Jews have never sought to take over our food chain or product market... but Halal products are everywhere and this threatens the British economy and British Jobs too... because Halal can only be produced by muslims... or it becomes Haram.
To get some idea of the immensity of this lack of labelling of Halal products, which not only involves meat, but many other products too Cosmetics, Furniture, Financial Services, IT etc.... See this:
http://www.zabihah.com/