Gurmat : Who is the deciding Authority

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In my opinion, if bani is the spiritual embodiment of the guru then bani is pure truth, every letter is a diamond and therefore there is no harm or misrepresentation in taking a sentence out of a verse. And then used to support a an argument especially when the argument is in full support of the fundamental practices of the sikh religion. One could only argue that their has been misrepresentation if their was a rule governing the way any part of sri guru granth sahib ji is interpreted, for eg, when i isolate ekonkar from mulmantar it speaks volumes, the same could be said for satnam, the meaning of these words in isolation from mul mantar speak volumes. However, they together form the mulmantar which has great spiritual power. That does not mean we cannot take a line out of sri guru granth sahib ji and discuss it for the fruitful activities and social reform.
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Noone has a right to set the rules on how we partake of our guru, the translators are not divine, guruji asks all to experience individually, everybody has their own technique or preference, some like to examine the whole text, some like to read it parrot fashion, some like to sing shabad it depends on your own preference, love comes to all individually for gurshabad. Lets not make our practices rigid.

I am young and fully agree with you that Bani cannot be standardised in a rigid format. English Translation has done much damage though it has simplified the job for young ones in India. For some it may be a deep philosphical work for some a 'parrot like' interpretation.

Mr Dhillon ji,

Although, I do agree with you in principle but if we leave everything to everyone there are chances that most of the things would get distorted. Let us take the sacred word 'weahguru' . It does not owe its origin to Holy Granth, in the manner that something divine is associated with it. It might have been taken from somewhere else. But to say that waheguru is not a sacred word would be incorrect. Even we Hindus know this.
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I however, cannot make much of this post. 'Wahguru' may or may not be reflective of all the attributes as stated in the beginning but that does not mean that 'wahguru' is not one of the name of God.
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I do believe that these things should be handled by a single authority Of Sikhs and there is standardisation. With the net culture everything is available at the click of mouse and things become easy and more prune to manipulations.

First and foremost VAHEGURU-WAHEGURU is not a name for any diety nor for any entity. It is a salutation, the Sense of 'WOW' when we look around ourselves, when we are looking at the dark sky on a clear night and see other specks of sand like ours twinkling at us.

If one names the INFINITE then it becomes FINITE. Our Gurus were very aware of that. Hence according to SIKHI, IK ONG KAAR has no name yet many like Ram, Gobind etc etc. just as a mere reference.

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It is hard to meet the CREATOR of the Universe and beyond, our Divine Master. IK ONG KAAR's form is immeasurable, inaccessible and unfathomable. IK ONG KAAR is all-pervading everywhere.

IK ONG KAAR is above all formless and indescribable, so sublime as to be totally beyond human powers of recognition, description, or conception.
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Hence it is called AJUNI- SEHBHUNG- THE CREATIVE ENERGY. And a Sikh can only immerse into this CREATIVE ENERGY via GURBANI, the foundation of GURMAT VALUES.

Tejwant

Dear Tejwant ji,

I fully agree that you have stated is correct. I have just stated that ‘wahegur’ is a term not reflective of any entity but of attributes that you have clarified . He is nameless as well. [10th Guru sahib] .Tru infinite cannot be named but we try to do so as we want to remember Him. ’Wahguru’ is supposedly a Mantra for Sikhs. A ‘Naam’, a name. You are free to correct me.

One who knows the Supreme Lord as the Ultimate Truth the ‘Sat’, the eternal ever existent and ever being that you call as ‘Saibhang’ as what is real, as what is knowledge and as what is infinite.[ simultaneously existing within the heart of all living entities as well as in the eternal spiritual world]. Transcending to that state of awareness which consists of total bliss, descending and ascending in various worlds, assuming the form one desires, all actions manifesting according to one's desires, one sings and chants the holy names of the Lord.
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I do presume that there is a significant importance laid down on ‘Naam’ in Sikhism as well. [Even the word ‘Ong-kaar’ is a version of the pious words of hindu’s ‘Om’, the most vibrant and subtle vibrations.]
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There is no difference Of opinion here. All I want to suggest is that there should be standardization in the work of interpretations of scriptures of Sikhs.

There are many other points where we can disagree but not here. I know that 'waheguru' is not a diety . Even Hindus ,now do not worship dieties. No one has the time these days.Rest assured I shall not trouble you unnecessarily and you should reciprocare.

Dear Khalsa Ji,

'Gur' is the way or process or method.

'Guru' is the one who knows the 'Gur' and from whom student or disciple learns.

'Mat' is the frame of mind which leads to a specific way of living.

'Gurmat' is the learning imparted by Guru.

For me my Guru is 'Siri Guru Granth Sahib'.

The learning that 'Siri Guru Granth Sahib’ imparts to me is 'Gurmat' to me.

Sikh religion is a corporated religion, it does not have any priestly class. Priestly class was abolished by Guru Sahib. Within the general frame work of Sikh religion each Sikh has to decied from himself. Sikhi has to be lived and just not enacted outwardly. Convictions cannot be forced from outside, they come from within. Only when you are convinced about something you will follow, hence it is for the individual to discuss the doubts and clarify points that come to your mind after reading 'Gurbani'. This interaction is suggested in 'Siri Guru Granth Sahib'. Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not have any formal Guru, he learnt through interaction and finally realised 'The Sat' when he said 'There is no Hindu and no Musalman'.

Within the general frame work of Sikhi and Khalsa Panth, you are the deciding authority for yourself.

Please do not close your mind on something you has decided upon. As you progress with your life and learn more and more the old understand will start fall away and new more precise one will take their place. This process has to be continued, this in fact is evolution and the spiritual way to divinity. It ends only when you have realised 'The Sat'. When this happens every entity of this creation will merge into 'ONE', and you will see 'The Sat' every where.
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In this corporate religion 'Sikhi' you are your boss taking spiritual sustenance from 'Siri Guru Granth Sahib.

With love and respect for all.

Amarpal Singh

Respected Vinod/Venod Ji,

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this is how much you know??????????
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