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Naam Japp Ji, Gurfateh.
Absolutley beautiful..beyond words...thanks a million for the sheer enjoyment going thru this Thread. Keep it up.
Now: mil maerae preethamaa jeeo thudhh bin kharee nimaanee || Meet me, O my Dear Beloved. Without You, I am totally dishonored.
Doesnt the words..Totally DIS-honored sound out of the way ??
Kharee is Bahut..a lot...vaadh..and nimannee is onw who is sans any mann, abhimann..one who is not given any honour..any mann...someone who is essentially a non-entity..completley IGNORED by everyone present as not important..not worth a second look....BUT "DIS-HONORED" has an entirely different connotation. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-sangeet/16516-kirtan-with-english-sub-titles.html
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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh  Naam Japp Ji, Gurfateh.
Absolutley beautiful..beyond words...thanks a million for the sheer enjoyment going thru this Thread. Keep it up.
Now: mil maerae preethamaa jeeo thudhh bin kharee nimaanee || Meet me, O my Dear Beloved. Without You, I am totally dishonored.
Doesnt the words..Totally DIS-honored sound out of the way ??
Kharee is Bahut..a lot...vaadh..and nimannee is onw who is sans any mann, abhimann..one who is not given any honour..any mann...someone who is essentially a non-entity..completley IGNORED by everyone present as not important..not worth a second look....BUT "DIS-HONORED" has an entirely different connotation.
Just a few ramblings...of an old man... | My 2 cent worth: mil maerae preethamaa jeeo thudhh bin kharee nimaanee ||
I plead you my beloved, please come and meet me. Without you, I am no one, nothing, nada, zip, zero,insignificant.
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TeJi,
Gurfateh.
You have got it right.
For some one to be "dishonored" he/she will first have to be "honored"...like given an Award..a siropa...recognition...and THEN having that Award taken back, siropa taken away, get kicked out of an Assembly, sent to jail etc would be DIS-HONORED !! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16516
Thus the word "dishonored" is totally out of context - the translator missed the boat entirely.
Guru is..Nimanneah da Mann..he GIVES..BESTOWS HONOR...He doesnt take it away under any pretext. Guru Amardass Ji is remebered in our Ardass as Nimmaneah da Mann, Nittaneah da Taan, Niotiyan dee Oat..Niasreahn da AAsra....SHELTER of the Homeless, Supporter of the supportless, Honorer of the honorless !! HOPE for the Hopeless...
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Originally Posted by randip singh I think subtitle oon Kirtan benefit all.
Just because people understand Punjabi, it does not mean they understand Bani. That has been demonstrated time and time again.
One example I have highlighted time and time again is that of Halal - which is a form of ritual sacrifice and even ritual purification but is time and time again translated by people as simply meaning kill ot slaughter............this sort of lazy translation or "prejudicial translation" as I call it is not only lazy but misleading.
There are many words in Gurbani like this that are Persian in origin and some Sanskrit.......subtitle may help us to gain a clearer meaning. | Randip Ji, gurfateh.
YES absolutely...Kirtan/Gurbani/Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.... is NOT everyday "punjabi"...Most Punjabis have difficulty even understanding simple spoken punjabi...to ask for a THALEE one has to repeat..PLATE...thalee...get it?? Then ONLY will you get a thalee..so HOW on Earth can such understand Gurbani ?? Thats is WHY "KATHA" of GURBANI ( not fairy tales spun by baba cheals about their babas) is vital ti understanding the Shabad...
The Translations may be lacking..but its still a point of reference..better than NOTHING.  | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | | 
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