The original Concept of Akalpurakh - Dr. Gurbhagat Singh

Ambarsaria · #55 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 00:42 AM

bscheema veer ji me or anyone else are not anyone's enemies. I have not physically met even one person from this forum. To post here is a privilege and not a right. That is how I treat my interactions.

Beligerence and tone of your message does not seem to recognize this basic aspect at spn.

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Originally Posted by bscheema

i would do my best of cut ,copy ,paste , the long there is need counter anti dasam philosophy . as u also did cut copy paste .smart poster u ppl made, u should make ur points, own views ,instead of deleting them , deleting a thread means no discussion to me as you encourage to do .

It appears you have great interest in Dasam Granth and associated aspects. There is a section devoted entirely to this as well in the following,

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/dasam-granth/

I have little detailed knowledge of DG myself and has some but not overwhelming personal interest in it.

So that there is no doubt,

You don't love or respect our Guru ji's more than anyone else on this forum and neither do I
Each person is free to focus their study or dialog in areas that interests them
- You or I cannot force or have any rights to force
Posting in wrong sections in the name of it will give exposure to a subject that it may not get if posted in proper section so devoted is dis-respectful
- It destroys the core essence of sub-sections and delineations that help people find and interact accordingly
Simply giving URLs or cut and paste from other places is essentially a lame way to contribute unless you provide your associated comments and understanding to go with it
- Most people are adults here and childish comments like the following only make you look bad and does not enhance anything,
  - "...... i would do my best of cut ,copy ,paste , the long there is need counter anti dasam philosophy ."
Post the stuff in right sections with your understanding and value add and I am sure you will see people participate
- They may not all think like you or agree with you, but in a forum one has to be a fool to assume that in all they post, everyone will agree with them

I believe you have wisdom and can positively interact. However the mode in most of your posts, has created at least negative feelings for me when I read them. These appear to be either propaganda, only I know the truth, everyone here is an enemy, etc. The world just is not like that.

Humbly submitted if it helps.

Sat Sri Akal.

Kamala · #56 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

Apologies dear sister...Shiva is NOT being compared to the village dumbo...i ma saying given a choice...any villager will prefer a pillion on a Bullet rather than the Buffalo/or buffalo gaddah... i am talking about CHOICE..
Its BHAGAT NAMDEV Ji who says..worshipping shiva will get one a buffalo ride...

Well, you have to remember on what times when there was no motorcycle back in the day, so what do you think is better? Besides cows are very sacred in Hinduism. Also I forgive you, but not sure if the Gurus will or Shiva, since the Guru has said Shiva is Guru as well

& if you do paath everyday, you would know that.

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Originally Posted by Ishna

Kamala bheinji

I'm not sure "Allah" is just another name for God. The personality of Allah is quite different from the abstract nature of Akaal Purakh. Also Allah and Jehovah seem to be at war with each other. But are they the same being?

In my example I was referring to Native American Indians. Their belief system is not Sanatan.

What I'm trying to figure out here, is whether you feel that Hindu gods exist but no other gods do? Perhaps this should be discussed out of this thread. Apologies.

I am pretty sure Allah is another name for God, please don't twist it around. Also a native american has nothing to do with Hinduism since they are not even in Sanatan Dharm. Now if they converted to ANY Sanatan Dharam they will forget their dieties or still respect them but the Devis and Devs will always be #3, Guru/Avatar #2, God #1 (:

bscheema what seems to be the problem with Gyani Jarnail ji?

Ishna · #57 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamala

I am pretty sure Allah is another name for God, please don't twist it around. Also a native american has nothing to do with Hinduism since they are not even in Sanatan Dharm. Now if they converted to ANY Sanatan Dharam they will forget their dieties or still respect them but the Devis and Devs will always be #3, Guru/Avatar #2, God #1 (:

The word "Allah" does mean "God", but if you actually read the Quran, a picture develops of that being's personality, directions It gives for Muslims to follow, etc. In the same way Jehovah gives to his people. Which is very different from the Purakh described in Gurbani. So I'm not trying to "twist it around" but observing that the descriptions in the relevant scriptures give me the impression of separate gods.

Yes, you got it, Native Americans don't have anything to do with Hinduism, hence why I've asked you what you believe about the existance of their Gods (or Mayans, or ancient Greeks, or Asatruar, or Celts, etcetcetc).

At the end of the day I'm only going to be concerning myself with Ik Onkar / Naam as recommended by Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but each to their own.

Scarlet Pimpernel · #58 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 05:51 AM

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a picture develops of that being's personality,

Isi He created a few billion personalities so he might know a bit more about it than us,lets just hope he does not have a personality disorder or it might be that we project our flaws onto him.

Ambarsaria · #59 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 06:03 AM

Wonderfully said by my brother SP ji.

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Originally Posted by Scarlet Pimpernel

Isi He created a few billion personalities so he might know a bit more about it than us,lets just hope he does not have a personality disorder.

In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji it is mentioned in terms of deities and names as to millions of Shiva, Krishna, etc., in creation. The logic fundamentally is that this fetish on a specific Krishna, Rama, Vishnu, Shiva is simply that. Creator has created millions (uncountable many) variations to suit the needs and not one specific is of any greater or lesser significance.

Sat Sri Akal.

Scarlet Pimpernel · #60 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 06:10 AM

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deities and names as to millions of Shiva, Krishna,

These respected Avatars must be the movie trailer projections of the master Truth.

Kamala · #61 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ishna

The word "Allah" does mean "God", but if you actually read the Quran, a picture develops of that being's personality, directions It gives for Muslims to follow, etc. In the same way Jehovah gives to his people. Which is very different from the Purakh described in Gurbani. So I'm not trying to "twist it around" but observing that the descriptions in the relevant scriptures give me the impression of separate gods.

Yes, you got it, Native Americans don't have anything to do with Hinduism, hence why I've asked you what you believe about the existance of their Gods (or Mayans, or ancient Greeks, or Asatruar, or Celts, etcetcetc).

At the end of the day I'm only going to be concerning myself with Ik Onkar / Naam as recommended by Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, but each to their own.

I am with Ik Onkar too, but whenevr I mention the Hindu Dieties, I never say are the ultimate one and only God, I am just saying that they exist; just because they exist does not mean they are God. If I did not believe in Ik Oknar I would not even be here in this forum or say I am Sikh

s.

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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

Wonderfully said by my brother SP ji.In Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji it is mentioned in terms of deities and names as to millions of Shiva, Krishna, etc., in creation. The logic fundamentally is that this fetish on a specific Krishna, Rama, Vishnu, Shiva is simply that. Creator has created millions (uncountable many) variations to suit the needs and not one specific is of any greater or lesser significance.

Sat Sri Akal.

If I may correct you, I read that it means he can create millions but there is only 1 copy of the teen lok (since they are immortal). Since Shiva is Shiva, an actual identity and has his wifes like Parvati, I don't see how there can be more than one considering that all these story are like not done once. But I do agree Brahma Devta does die, but he gets reborn at the same place after 100 years.

Scarlet Pimpernel · #62 (**permalink**) 04-Jun-2012, 06:51 AM

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Krishna, Rama, Vishnu, Shiva is simply that

Veer Ji I think they might be representatives,just like her Majesty is represented by her Commissioned Officers in the Military,thus when the complimentary salute is offered it always goes to the Monarch it's just her represenative who actually recieves and returns the compliment on her behalf.
I guess Sri Vishnu is Navy Commander if you wish to extend metaphor , Thor would be special forces of some sort, as it's the Army central ethos of Truth which is being promoted by these manifestations.If anyone is in love with a particular Akaal Purukh representative then that is taking him closer than actually disliking one.

Kamala · #63 (**permalink**) 05-Jun-2012, 00:29 AM

I think you guys do understand what I am trying to say, the Brahm Deities are not God, but they definitely exist and deserve some respect.