Whos Destroying Sikhi?

navneetk · #10 (**permalink**) 24-Feb-2012, 20:36 PM

But sadly in case of sikhs only sikhs are responsible for everything and all the mess that have been created. Members on this forum are talking anti gurmat philosophical things. They do not believe, here on this forum, in simran, in naam, in reincarnation , in Karma and other concepts. Even bigwigs like gyani ji are talking their views only and not gurbani or gurmat. Those sikhs who do not believe in simran etc., are doing great harm to sikhi or sikhism. This forum needs thorough cleansing...
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BaljinderS · #11 (**permalink**) 24-Feb-2012, 21:38 PM

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Originally Posted by navneetk

But sadly in case of sikhs only sikhs are responsible for everything and all the mess that have been created. Members on this forum are talking anti gurmat philosophical things. They do not believe, here on this forum, in simran, in naam, in reincarnation , in Karma and other concepts. Even bigwigs like gyani ji are talking their views only and not gurbani or gurmat. Those sikhs who do not believe in simran etc., are doing great harm to sikhi or sikhism. This forum needs thorough cleansing...

One thing that keeps me coming back to SPN is that everything is backed up with references. There is no blind preaching. We are all intelligent beings (some more than others). In a nutshell people can make up their own mind, most people are lazy so they go with who is marketing the message better than others.

Annie · #12 (**permalink**) 24-Feb-2012, 22:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BaljinderS

In a nutshell people can make up their own mind, most people are lazy so they go with who is marketing the message better than others.

Yes, exactly! Also many people are taught from an early age to not question authority. Sometimes they don't even know WHY they do the things they do, or believe what they believe. Sometimes it is easier to hear a man than it is to hear Waheguru.

prakash.s.bagga · #13 (**permalink**) 24-Feb-2012, 23:13 PM

I doubt if this is a Forum for Preaching.I think this is for sharing the views and this way
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evolve our own understanding to a better line of understanding.by reading the diversed views.
Prakash.s.Bagga

Ambarsaria · #14 (**permalink**) 25-Feb-2012, 00:05 AM

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Originally Posted by navneetk

But sadly in case of sikhs only sikhs are responsible for everything and all the mess that have been created. Members on this forum are talking anti gurmat philosophical things. They do not believe, here on this forum, in simran, in naam, in reincarnation , in Karma and other concepts. Even bigwigs like gyani ji are talking their views only and not gurbani or gurmat. Those sikhs who do not believe in simran etc., are doing great harm to sikhi or sikhism. This forum needs thorough cleansing...

navneetk ji thanks for your post.

You have been bitten by the bug of introspection to the extreme. Your contribution to solutions can be considerd non exisiting with non-specific allegations. Please continue to vote for BJP as they will solve all of Sikhi's problems along with RSS as you search inside your cocoon. Perfectly passified Sikh with "Self Doubt" pacifier. Feels great to be down and out and drag others down into a pile of abiding mush.

Please please you can do better. Guru Arjan Dev ji, Guru Teg Bahadar ji, Guru Gobind Singh ji and countless many young and old who suffered so that you may be born one day are eternally grateful for you thanklessness.

. People totally forget that the reason you, I and many others are here is in part related to sacrifices of many of Sikhism before.

I profusely thank all before. The path forward is sacrifice too in different ways and not just fault finding in self, others and becoming despondent.

Sat Sri Akal.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #15 (**permalink**) 25-Feb-2012, 11:47 AM

Similar to words such as "Black MONEY...Corruption money..kala dhan..?? what nonsense.
The Money is perfectly Legit and Legal tender..its the HUMAN that is BLACK...his HEART is BLACK. Thats why Gurbani never talks about Kala Dhan...it never fails to mention the HUMANS who grab PRAYA HAKK as PORK eaters and BEEF EATERS. The MONEY in their Bank Accounts is LEGAL TENDER and no one can differentiate a kala dhan 500 RS Note found in the pocket of a corrupt police Inspector at a Road Block....from a 500 RS NOTE earned by a Honest Farmer by selling his homegrown moolian at the market ?? BOTH "Notes" carry the same Baldy Gandhi...and the words Reserve Bank of India....
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38120
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38120

Same situation in whos destroying sikhi....its so easy to spot who...and why ??

Kanwaljit Singh · #16 (**permalink**) 25-Feb-2012, 13:17 PM

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Originally Posted by navneetk

But sadly in case of sikhs only sikhs are responsible for everything and all the mess that have been created. Members on this forum are talking anti gurmat philosophical things. They do not believe, here on this forum, in simran, in naam, in reincarnation , in Karma and other concepts. Even bigwigs like gyani ji are talking their views only and not gurbani or gurmat. Those sikhs who do not believe in simran etc., are doing great harm to sikhi or sikhism. This forum needs thorough cleansing...

Reincarnation will always be a concept and none can do anything about it. That is the point we are trying to make. You can't change what you are coming from. You can't change where you will be going. You can only hope to live this life in a Gurmukh way.

And you really think you can cleanse the forum? I will be happy to watch (and help if I can) where you take it. I am busy for next few 'lives' cleaning my mind.

Luckysingh · #17 (**permalink**) 25-Feb-2012, 15:47 PM

Navneetk ji

To feel that this forum is anti gurmat, and participating in destroying sikhi due to some views is a little crazy to say the least.
It's like saying that a computer anti-virus program is no good as it contains a virus!

There are many different views, yes I agree, there are also many different personalities, characters,styles of portraying etc...etc..
But at the end we all want to get to where Guruji accepts and we are accepted for eternity.

Each one of us is on our own Captain of a ship on this huge world ocean.There are billions of ships all on the same ocean.
The goal is mukhti, liberation, merge with the true lord or even just wait and see where our GPS guide is going to take us(destination).
The destination can't be physically located on a map, but we know we will feel it when it happens. (I use the word when, although at destination, there most likely will be no time concept)
The GPS guide ( analagous to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) is what can take us all to the same destination as long as we follow and act the instructions.
Each ship has a different size, colour,shape etc.. and some carry heavy loads like reincarnation,karma, simran, meditation.. etc...Some will not carry the baggage but trust the guide completely.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38120
Along the way some will encounter storms, rocks, icebergs and other obstacles. Just like we encounter in life, it is during these encounters that the ones with complete faith will trust the guide and veer around the obstacles BUT some will decide to call and take rescue help from overhead aircraft disguised as fake baba's, sikh sects. Thus they have abandoned their trust in the original guide.
Do they get to the destination?? We can't say, we will never know, however they have NO GUARANTEE as they have abandoned the original guide.

But the true devotees will persevere and stick with their GPS guide or Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Having the different baggage/ beliefs( as mentioned above) will NOT make any ship go faster, or give it a short/fast route.
At the end, all that matters is that the captain(individual) arrives at the destination, regardless of any baggage. The final passport control will just consider and judge the individual captain NOT their baggage/load or the value of the ship.

So NavneetK, I think we should focus on keeping fellow ships away from overhead rescue rather than trying to give them/ take off extra loads/baggage. It's also important to not follow or be followed by another captain's ship as there is again NO guarantee who is going to the correct destination, as explained we are NOT following our original GPS guide, the Guru Granth Sahib.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38120

I'm sorry if I have used anything out of context. I was trying to demonstrate the Sri Guru Granth Sahib as the ultimate guide. I clearly am not saying it is a tomtom or garmin or something replacable. We all know of the radhasoami, naamdhari, AKJ etc...etc....--I am clearly not saying anything ANTI about them, just that a person doesn't need them if they keep strong faith in their 'original guide'

Bul chuk marf

Sat kartar
LuckySingh

prakash.s.bagga · #18 (**permalink**) 25-Feb-2012, 16:24 PM

LUCKYSINGH Ji,

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38120
I would slightly differ with your views to refer Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as GPS.
If you look at a quote from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as
#GuRu Jahaju,Khewatu GuRoo,GuR Binu Taraya na Koe#pp104

So accordingly we as individual are travellers only and we need to have the complete knowledge about the JAHAJ we have to board in to reach our correct destination.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38120
And this knowledge can be provided by GuRoo only. That is why we need Such a GuRoo as guide .

Prakash.S.Bagga