Life in the West is Not All it is Cut Out to Be...

kds1980 · #19 (**permalink**) 19-Aug-2011, 18:09 PM

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1. I am part of the hiring process for the organisation I work for. Every time we advertise a position, lets say for a psychologist, we will get a whole bunch of applications from people either in India, or people with Indian names and educations living in my city, with engineering degrees, IT degrees, logistics degrees, management qualifications, medical doctors, but nary a garden-variety psychologist. And my organisation is notorious for paying poor wage (we are not-for-profit). So I wonder, are things so uncomfortable for them in India that they would apply for any kind of work even if it means being severelly under paid for their qualification? Why can't they get this kind of work in India? Why don't they want to stay in India and make improvements? They would rather take a crap job here than a crap job there? Why?

Ishna ji

There are several reasons behind it.

1) There is craze of going outside India,seeing hollywood all the imagining lifestyle like American lifestyle.

2) In India there are jobs but people want high paying one even if you save 10,000 australian or US dollar and send them home its 4.5-4.8 lakhs which is very good amount for your family ,Your parents ,wife brother sister can live comfortable life and can pay their expenses of education marriage etc.

3)Many people side by side acquire degrees from western universities as they know their indian degree are useless in world ,not at all valued by MNC companies

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Australians are getting angry that big Australian companies (our main phone provider, for example) or big global companies with large Australian customer base, are taking their operations to India. You can't call a customer service line without (and I don't want to sound rude or racist) getting an Indian on the line. Personally I love it, I love their accents, I love how polite they are, I burst to ask them where they are and if they're a Sikh (of course I don't!) and I'm very polite to them because I try to be polite to everyone and I know how much crap they get from other Australians.

What is your perspective of these large companies setting up shop in India?

Large companies are setting up in India because of cheap labour and no restriction to exploit them they can ask you to work for 12-14 hours without paying overtime.This is the way China has become economic superpower and other countries are also copying it.

Ishna · #20 (**permalink**) 19-Aug-2011, 18:20 PM

KDS ji: No one can seriously look at Hollywood and think they're going to achieve that! It's make-believe.

For me to save $10,000 AUD would take me years on my wage! Don't think that kind of money falls off trees in the West, unfortunately.

My wedding was extremely modest, we had around 37 guests to our wedding, I had practically second-hand wedding dress (it was demo dress in the store), and it still cost us around $13,000 AUD!

A house in my city will cost you upwards of $250,000 MINIMUM-- I doubt I'll ever earn enough to buy my own property.

I think you need to keep in mind that the income might be higher but the living expenses are also higher.
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I think it's disgusting that anyone should exploit anyone else. How can a country like India protect itself against this kind of exploitation? People are so desperate there that they will work for 14 hours with no paid overtime. In Australia we have laws which prevent that. Why can't India have laws like that then? I am showing my naievity in this, I really don't know much.

Randip Singh · #21 (**permalink**) 19-Aug-2011, 18:33 PM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

Kdsji,

To clarify, my combined income with my wife last year was 80k UK £ which is about $132K, yet we have not had a holiday in 5 years, and we both drive cars valued at under £1200. Inflation means these figures mean nothing, low interest rates erode savings, rents are rocketing, petrol is rocketing, it is nothing short of a rat race, tell your brother he is better off earning less and spending less and being happy, perhaps we should start a new thread, 'why life in the west is not all its cut out to be'

Move up North mate! :P

harry haller · #22 (**permalink**) 19-Aug-2011, 18:34 PM

Bhenji
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I think there is a massive leveler due, property is overvalued all over the world, incomes in the west are reaching ridiculous levels, and yes, in India people are so desperate that they will work 14 with no paid overtime!
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Unfortunately you and I both know that the hollywood dream does not exist, but then I don't know whether you watch many indian films, as they all tend to push the hollywood type of luxury and lifestyle, ironically, this whole lifestyle is crumbling as well as the western economies, rioting is becoming more and more common in europe as savage cuts are imposed on mostly the poor, who can ill afford them,

Ironically, any Indian that comes over to the UK in the next few years is going to wish he had stayed in India, as the resemblance to hollywood, from what my parents tell me, is better encapsulated by some Indian cities.

harry haller · #23 (**permalink**) 19-Aug-2011, 18:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Randip Singh

Move up North mate! :P

funny you should say that, I am from the North!

kds1980 · #24 (**permalink**) 19-Aug-2011, 18:42 PM

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For me to save $10,000 AUD would take me years on my wage! Don't think that kind of money falls off trees in the West, unfortunately.

My wedding was extremely modest, we had around 37 guests to our wedding, I had practically second-hand wedding dress (it was demo dress in the store), and it still cost us around $13,000 AUD!

A house in my city will cost you upwards of $250,000 MINIMUM-- I doubt I'll ever earn enough to buy my own property.

I think you need to keep in mind that the income might be higher but the living expenses are also higher.

You are right living expenses are higher but the people who migrate as single not with family,so it is obvious whatever amount they are going to save will become big in India as 1 AUS $ = 48 rupees .After all this craze was started in India when NRI's started sending big money so its obvious people started copying them.Indians are not fools ,if NRI's that went earlier came as ruined one then I don't think anybody would have been wiling to go outside India.

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I think it's disgusting that anyone should exploit anyone else. How can a country like India protect itself against this kind of exploitation? People are so desperate there that they will work for 14 hours with no paid overtime. In Australia we have laws which prevent that. Why can't India have laws like that then? I am showing my naievity in this, I really don't know much.

The law ,socialist unions are also their in India,but BPO IT,Software sector etc is exempted it from it.They work with hire and fire policies .the fact is competetion in world is so stiff that if India will enact these type of laws then most of companies will say bye bye to India as there are many other countries already setting red carpets for these companies.So either work in exploited conditions or just remain unemployed

Randip Singh · #25 (**permalink**) 20-Aug-2011, 00:47 AM

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Originally Posted by harry haller

funny you should say that, I am from the North!

Move back up...I'm a Southener who was fed up of the over inflated house prices, overcrowding and everything else. Ever since I moved to the Midlands, I've been happy.

Saying that Edinburgh would be my ideal, but again we are talking London prices.

harry haller · #26 (**permalink**) 20-Aug-2011, 14:41 PM

The thing is Randipji, I have nothing here to stay for, moving to Leicester might enable me to eat Aloo Prontha every day, and go to the local Gurdwara, (the best Gol Guppa ever can be found at Sardars, narborough road), but if I am going to uproot, I am thinking maybe I should spend some time back home, make some honest money and see rural Punjab, the thought of sharing some time with good honest sons of toil, visiting a few Gurdwaras, village life, well, that is worth more to me than the biggest s-class and the most luxurious house (these things are only useful if you have people round you to say balleh, and I do not),

Actually, with my hand on my heart, if anyone truly gets pleasure out of huge wealth, I envy them, most I have met, including myself in years gone by, were truly miserable, as someone else always had a bigger s-class, or a better house, or a more shiny watch, and once pleasure turns into a race, you've lost already