What is Truth?

I feel a bit uneasy about this passage regarding all relationships being false. Could you explain it to me?

http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gur...&Lang=1&I=6827

I have seen that all relationships are false, and so I have grasped hold of the hem of Your robe, Lord.
Habẖe sāk kūṛāve diṯẖe ṯa▫o palai ṯaidai lāgī.

I like these:

http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=963&L=17&Lang =1&I=6827

Whatever you do, do it for the Love of God.
Jo kicẖẖ karai so parabẖ kai rang.

http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=KeertanPage&K=405&L=17&Lang =1&I=6838

Bestow Your Mercy, and dwell within my heart; please, become my Helper.
Kar kirpā vashu merai hirḏai ho▫e sahā▫ī āp.

 
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Ben ji I am currently short of time so may need to come back to this particular post.

The tuk (sentence) you have queried is from ang (page) 963. Usually we would post the entire section (shalok, pauri, etc) the tuk appears in, to help give more context. I'm not so learned as to be able to tell if the shalok here relates to the pauri above or below - perhaps someone else can help me.

I'm guessing the shalok belongs to the text above and provide the Manmohan Singh translation below:

ਮਃ ੫ ॥
मः ५ ॥
Mėhlā 5.
5th Guru.

ਸਸੁ ਵਿਰਾਇਣਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀਉ ਸਸੁਰਾ ਵਾਦੀ ਜੇਠੋ ਪਉ ਪਉ ਲੂਹੈ ॥
ससु विराइणि नानक जीउ ससुरा वादी जेठो पउ पउ लूहै ॥
Sas virā▫iṇ Nānak jī▫o sasurā vāḏī jeṯẖo pa▫o pa▫o lūhai.
My mother-in-law is my enemy, my father-in-law burns me at every step, O Nanak.

ਹਭੇ ਭਸੁ ਪੁਣੇਦੇ ਵਤਨੁ ਜਾ ਮੈ ਸਜਣੁ ਤੂਹੈ ॥੨॥
हभे भसु पुणेदे वतनु जा मै सजणु तूहै ॥२॥
Habẖe bẖas puṇeḏe vaṯan jā mai sajaṇ ṯūhai. ||2||
When Thou, O Lord, art my Friend, then let all go round sifting dust.

ਪਉੜੀ ॥
पउड़ी ॥
Pa▫oṛī.
Pauri.

ਜਿਸੁ ਤੂ ਵੁਠਾ ਚਿਤਿ ਤਿਸੁ ਦਰਦੁ ਨਿਵਾਰਣੋ ॥
जिसु तू वुठा चिति तिसु दरदु निवारणो ॥
Jis ṯū vuṯẖā cẖiṯ ṯis ḏaraḏ nivārṇo.
Thou, O Lord, removest the pain of him, within whose mind Thou abidest.

ਜਿਸੁ ਤੂ ਵੁਠਾ ਚਿਤਿ ਤਿਸੁ ਕਦੇ ਨ ਹਾਰਣੋ ॥
जिसु तू वुठा चिति तिसु कदे न हारणो ॥
Jis ṯū vuṯẖā cẖiṯ ṯis kaḏe na hārṇo.
He, within whose mind, Thou, O Lord, abidest; he loses not ever.

ਜਿਸੁ ਮਿਲਿਆ ਪੂਰਾ ਗੁਰੂ ਸੁ ਸਰਪਰ ਤਾਰਣੋ ॥
जिसु मिलिआ पूरा गुरू सु सरपर तारणो ॥
Jis mili▫ā pūrā gurū so sarpar ṯārṇo.
He, whom the Perfect Guru meets, is assuredly emancipated.

ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਲਾਏ ਸਚਿ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਚੁ ਸਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਲਣੋ ॥
जिस नो लाए सचि तिसु सचु सम्हालणो ॥
Jis no lā▫e sacẖ ṯis sacẖ samĥālaṇo.
He, whom the Lord attached to truth, meditates on the True Name.

ਜਿਸੁ ਆਇਆ ਹਥਿ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ਸੁ ਰਹਿਆ ਭਾਲਣੋ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/general-discussion/36500-what-is-truth.html
जिसु आइआ हथि निधानु सु रहिआ भालणो ॥
Jis ā▫i▫ā hath niḏẖān so rahi▫ā bẖālṇo.
He, to whose hand the Name treasure falls, seeks naught else.

ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਇਕੋ ਰੰਗੁ ਭਗਤੁ ਸੋ ਜਾਨਣੋ ॥
जिस नो इको रंगु भगतु सो जानणो ॥
Jis no iko rang bẖagaṯ so jānṇo.
He, who loves but One Lord; him alone deem thou a saints.

ਓਹੁ ਸਭਨਾ ਕੀ ਰੇਣੁ ਬਿਰਹੀ ਚਾਰਣੋ ॥
ओहु सभना की रेणु बिरही चारणो ॥
Oh sabẖnā kī reṇ birhī cẖārṇo.
He, who is the lover of God's feet, becomes the dust of the feet of all.

ਸਭਿ ਤੇਰੇ ਚੋਜ ਵਿਡਾਣ ਸਭੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਕਾਰਣੋ ॥੧੩॥
सभि तेरे चोज विडाण सभु तेरा कारणो ॥१३॥
Sabẖ ṯere cẖoj vidāṇ sabẖ ṯerā kārṇo. ||13||
Everything is Thy wondrous play and the entire world is Thine.

ਸਲੋਕ ਮਃ ੫ ॥
सलोक मः ५ ॥
Salok mėhlā 5.
Slok 5th Guru.
ਉਸਤਤਿ ਨਿੰਦਾ ਨਾਨਕ ਜੀ ਮੈ ਹਭ ਵਞਾਈ ਛੋੜਿਆ ਹਭੁ ਕਿਝੁ ਤਿਆਗੀ ॥
उसतति निंदा नानक जी मै हभ वञाई छोड़िआ हभु किझु तिआगी ॥
Usṯaṯ ninḏā Nānak jī mai habẖ vañā▫ī cẖẖoṛi▫ā habẖ kijẖ ṯi▫āgī.
From my mind, O Nanak, I have wholly banished praising and slandering others and have forsaken and abandoned all other worldly affairs.
ਹਭੇ ਸਾਕ ਕੂੜਾਵੇ ਡਿਠੇ ਤਉ ਪਲੈ ਤੈਡੈ ਲਾਗੀ ॥੧॥
हभे साक कूड़ावे डिठे तउ पलै तैडै लागी ॥१॥
Habẖe sāk kūṛāve diṯẖe ṯa▫o palai ṯaidai lāgī. ||1||
I have seen all the kinsmen to be false; then have I attached myself to Thine skirt, O my Lord.

I'm not very good at Gurbani vichaar yet, but Gurbani teaches that the man-made relationships we have with anything else in this world, including people, our mother, father, sibling, spouse, is nothing compared to the relationship we have with the Creative Force.

Ang 10

ਜਨਨਿ ਪਿਤਾ ਲੋਕ ਸੁਤ ਬਨਿਤਾ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਕਿਸ ਕੀ ਧਰਿਆ ॥
जननि पिता लोक सुत बनिता कोइ न किस की धरिआ ॥
Janan piṯā lok suṯ baniṯā ko▫e na kis kī ḏẖari▫ā.
Mothers, fathers, friends, children and spouses-no one is the support of anyone else.

ਸਿਰਿ ਸਿਰਿ ਰਿਜਕੁ ਸੰਬਾਹੇ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਕਾਹੇ ਮਨ ਭਉ ਕਰਿਆ ॥੨॥
सिरि सिरि रिजकु स्मबाहे ठाकुरु काहे मन भउ करिआ ॥२॥
Sir sir rijak sambāhe ṯẖākur kāhe man bẖa▫o kari▫ā. ||2||
For each and every person, our Lord and Master provides sustenance. Why are you so afraid, O mind? ||2||

I was going to make a comment about how it could possibly relate to the states described in this shabad on ang 482:

ਆਸਾ ॥
आसा ॥
Āsā.
Aasaa:
ਸਾਸੁ ਕੀ ਦੁਖੀ ਸਸੁਰ ਕੀ ਪਿਆਰੀ ਜੇਠ ਕੇ ਨਾਮਿ ਡਰਉ ਰੇ ॥
सासु की दुखी ससुर की पिआरी जेठ के नामि डरउ रे ॥
Sās kī ḏukẖī sasur kī pi▫ārī jeṯẖ ke nām dara▫o re.
I am bothered by my mother-in-law, Maya, and loved by my father-in-law, the Lord. I fear even the name of my husband's elder brother, Death.
ਸਖੀ ਸਹੇਲੀ ਨਨਦ ਗਹੇਲੀ ਦੇਵਰ ਕੈ ਬਿਰਹਿ ਜਰਉ ਰੇ ॥੧॥
सखी सहेली ननद गहेली देवर कै बिरहि जरउ रे ॥१॥
Sakẖī sahelī nanaḏ gahelī ḏevar kai birėh jara▫o re. ||1||
O my mates and companions, my husband's sister, misunderstanding has seized me, and I am burning with the pain of separation from my husband's younger brother, divine knowledge. ||1||
ਮੇਰੀ ਮਤਿ ਬਉਰੀ ਮੈ ਰਾਮੁ ਬਿਸਾਰਿਓ ਕਿਨ ਬਿਧਿ ਰਹਨਿ ਰਹਉ ਰੇ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=36500
मेरी मति बउरी मै रामु बिसारिओ किन बिधि रहनि रहउ रे ॥
Merī maṯ ba▫urī mai rām bisāri▫o kin biḏẖ rahan raha▫o re.
My mind has gone insane, since I forgot the Lord. How can I lead a virtuous lifestyle?
ਸੇਜੈ ਰਮਤੁ ਨੈਨ ਨਹੀ ਪੇਖਉ ਇਹੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਕਾ ਸਉ ਕਹਉ ਰੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
सेजै रमतु नैन नही पेखउ इहु दुखु का सउ कहउ रे ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Sejai ramaṯ nain nahī pekẖa▫o ih ḏukẖ kā sa▫o kaha▫o re. ||1|| rahā▫o.
He rests in the bed of my mind, but I cannot see Him with my eyes. Unto whom should I tell my sufferings? ||1||Pause||
ਬਾਪੁ ਸਾਵਕਾ ਕਰੈ ਲਰਾਈ ਮਾਇਆ ਸਦ ਮਤਵਾਰੀ ॥
बापु सावका करै लराई माइआ सद मतवारी ॥
Bāp sāvkā karai larā▫ī mā▫i▫ā saḏ maṯvārī.
My step-father, egotism, fights with me, and my mother, desire, is always intoxicated.
ਬਡੇ ਭਾਈ ਕੈ ਜਬ ਸੰਗਿ ਹੋਤੀ ਤਬ ਹਉ ਨਾਹ ਪਿਆਰੀ ॥੨॥
बडे भाई कै जब संगि होती तब हउ नाह पिआरी ॥२॥
Bade bẖā▫ī kai jab sang hoṯī ṯab ha▫o nāh pi▫ārī. ||2||
When I stayed with my elder brother, meditation, then I was loved by my Husband Lord. ||2||
ਕਹਤ ਕਬੀਰ ਪੰਚ ਕੋ ਝਗਰਾ ਝਗਰਤ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥
कहत कबीर पंच को झगरा झगरत जनमु गवाइआ ॥
Kahaṯ Kabīr pancẖ ko jẖagrā jẖagraṯ janam gavā▫i▫ā.
Says Kabeer, the five passions argue with me, and in these arguments, my life is wasting away.
ਝੂਠੀ ਮਾਇਆ ਸਭੁ ਜਗੁ ਬਾਧਿਆ ਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਰਮਤ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥੩॥੩॥੨੫॥
झूठी माइआ सभु जगु बाधिआ मै राम रमत सुखु पाइआ ॥३॥३॥२५॥
Jẖūṯẖī mā▫i▫ā sabẖ jag bāḏẖi▫ā mai rām ramaṯ sukẖ pā▫i▫ā. ||3||3||25||
The false Maya has bound the whole world, but I have obtained peace, chanting the Name of the Lord. ||3||3||25||

However in the first shabad it says "my father-in-law burns me at every step" yet here the father-in-law appears to be Waheguru. So I think I've missed the mark.

I wonder if anyone else can help me out with this? The pool is getting really deep! haha

Ben Bet Beh ji,

My understanding is that our relationship with God is the only relationship we have that will be our support at all times. All other relationships ultimately come to an end. Also, by forgetting God, our worldly relationships are seen as entanglements and are subject to being dominated by lust, anger, greed, attachment, and ego. This does not mean that we should abandon all worldly relationships. But by always being aware of our primary relationship being with God we will strive to act with love, compassion, humility, truthfulness, and contentment in our worldly relations. I'm a newbie to Gurbani Vichaar too and I appreciate everyone else's thoughts and opinions.


ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ ਘਰੁ ੨ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥
रागु आसा घरु २ महला ४ ॥
Rāg āsā gẖar 2 mėhlā 4.
Raag Aasaa, Second House, Fourth Mehl:

ਕਿਸ ਹੀ ਧੜਾ ਕੀਆ ਮਿਤ੍ਰ ਸੁਤ ਨਾਲਿ ਭਾਈ ॥
किस ही धड़ा कीआ मित्र सुत नालि भाई ॥
Kis hī ḏẖaṛā kī▫ā miṯar suṯ nāl bẖā▫ī.
Some form alliances with friends, children and siblings.

ਕਿਸ ਹੀ ਧੜਾ ਕੀਆ ਕੁੜਮ ਸਕੇ ਨਾਲਿ ਜਵਾਈ ॥
किस ही धड़ा कीआ कुड़म सके नालि जवाई ॥
Kis hī ḏẖaṛā kī▫ā kuṛam sake nāl javā▫ī.
Some form alliances with in-laws and relatives.

ਕਿਸ ਹੀ ਧੜਾ ਕੀਆ ਸਿਕਦਾਰ ਚਉਧਰੀ ਨਾਲਿ ਆਪਣੈ ਸੁਆਈ ॥
किस ही धड़ा कीआ सिकदार चउधरी नालि आपणै सुआई ॥
Kis hī ḏẖaṛā kī▫ā sikḏār cẖa▫uḏẖrī nāl āpṇai su▫ā▫ī.
Some form alliances with chiefs and leaders for their own selfish motives.

ਹਮਾਰਾ ਧੜਾ ਹਰਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਈ ॥੧॥
हमारा धड़ा हरि रहिआ समाई ॥१॥
Hamārā ḏẖaṛā har rahi▫ā samā▫ī. ||1||
My alliance is with the Lord, who is pervading everywhere. ||1||

ਹਮ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਧੜਾ ਕੀਆ ਮੇਰੀ ਹਰਿ ਟੇਕ ॥
हम हरि सिउ धड़ा कीआ मेरी हरि टेक ॥
Ham har si▫o ḏẖaṛā kī▫ā merī har tek.
I have formed my alliance with the Lord; the Lord is my only support.

ਮੈ ਹਰਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਪਖੁ ਧੜਾ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਈ ਹਉ ਹਰਿ ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵਾ ਅਸੰਖ ਅਨੇਕ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
मै हरि बिनु पखु धड़ा अवरु न कोई हउ हरि गुण गावा असंख अनेक ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=36500
Mai har bin pakẖ ḏẖaṛā avar na ko▫ī ha▫o har guṇ gāvā asaʼnkẖ anek. ||1|| rahā▫o.
Other than the Lord, I have no other faction or alliance; I sing of the countless and endless Glorious Praises of the Lord. ||1||Pause||

ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਸਿਉ ਧੜੇ ਕਰਹਿ ਸੇ ਜਾਹਿ ॥
जिन्ह सिउ धड़े करहि से जाहि ॥
Jinĥ si▫o ḏẖaṛe karahi se jāhi.
Those with whom you form alliances, shall perish.

ਝੂਠੁ ਧੜੇ ਕਰਿ ਪਛੋਤਾਹਿ ॥
झूठु धड़े करि पछोताहि ॥
Jẖūṯẖ ḏẖaṛe kar pacẖẖoṯāhi.
Making false alliances, the mortals repent and regret in the end.

ਥਿਰੁ ਨ ਰਹਹਿ ਮਨਿ ਖੋਟੁ ਕਮਾਹਿ ॥
थिरु न रहहि मनि खोटु कमाहि ॥
Thir na rahėh man kẖot kamāhi.
Those who practice falsehood shall not last.

ਹਮ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਧੜਾ ਕੀਆ ਜਿਸ ਕਾ ਕੋਈ ਸਮਰਥੁ ਨਾਹਿ ॥੨॥
हम हरि सिउ धड़ा कीआ जिस का कोई समरथु नाहि ॥२॥
Ham har si▫o ḏẖaṛā kī▫ā jis kā ko▫ī samrath nāhi. ||2||
I have formed my alliance with the Lord; there is no one more powerful than Him. ||2||

ਏਹ ਸਭਿ ਧੜੇ ਮਾਇਆ ਮੋਹ ਪਸਾਰੀ ॥
एह सभि धड़े माइआ मोह पसारी ॥
Ėh sabẖ ḏẖaṛe mā▫i▫ā moh pasārī.
All these alliances are mere extensions of the love of Maya.

ਮਾਇਆ ਕਉ ਲੂਝਹਿ ਗਾਵਾਰੀ ॥
माइआ कउ लूझहि गावारी ॥
Mā▫i▫ā ka▫o lūjẖėh gāvārī.
Only fools argue over Maya.

ਜਨਮਿ ਮਰਹਿ ਜੂਐ ਬਾਜੀ ਹਾਰੀ ॥
जनमि मरहि जूऐ बाजी हारी ॥
Janam marėh jū▫ai bājī hārī.
They are born, and they die, and they lose the game of life in the gamble.

ਹਮਰੈ ਹਰਿ ਧੜਾ ਜਿ ਹਲਤੁ ਪਲਤੁ ਸਭੁ ਸਵਾਰੀ ॥੩॥
हमरै हरि धड़ा जि हलतु पलतु सभु सवारी ॥३॥
Hamrai har ḏẖaṛā jė halaṯ palaṯ sabẖ savārī. ||3||
My alliance is with the Lord, who embellishes all, in this world and the next. ||3||

ਕਲਿਜੁਗ ਮਹਿ ਧੜੇ ਪੰਚ ਚੋਰ ਝਗੜਾਏ ॥
कलिजुग महि धड़े पंच चोर झगड़ाए ॥
Kalijug mėh ḏẖaṛe pancẖ cẖor jẖagṛā▫e.
In this Dark Age of Kali Yuga, the five thieves instigate alliances and conflicts.

ਕਾਮੁ ਕ੍ਰੋਧੁ ਲੋਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਅਭਿਮਾਨੁ ਵਧਾਏ ॥
कामु क्रोधु लोभु मोहु अभिमानु वधाए ॥
Kām kroḏẖ lobẖ moh abẖimān vaḏẖā▫e.
Sexual desire, anger, greed, emotional attachment and self-conceit have increased.

ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰੇ ਤਿਸੁ ਸਤਸੰਗਿ ਮਿਲਾਏ ॥
जिस नो क्रिपा करे तिसु सतसंगि मिलाए ॥
Jis no kirpā kare ṯis saṯsang milā▫e.
One who is blessed by the Lord's Grace, joins the Sat Sangat, the True Congregation.

ਹਮਰਾ ਹਰਿ ਧੜਾ ਜਿਨਿ ਏਹ ਧੜੇ ਸਭਿ ਗਵਾਏ ॥੪॥
हमरा हरि धड़ा जिनि एह धड़े सभि गवाए ॥४॥
Hamrā har ḏẖaṛā jin eh ḏẖaṛe sabẖ gavā▫e. ||4||
My alliance is with the Lord, who has destroyed all these alliances. ||4||

ਮਿਥਿਆ ਦੂਜਾ ਭਾਉ ਧੜੇ ਬਹਿ ਪਾਵੈ ॥
मिथिआ दूजा भाउ धड़े बहि पावै ॥
Mithi▫ā ḏūjā bẖā▫o ḏẖaṛe bahi pāvai.
In the false love of duality, people sit and form alliances.

ਪਰਾਇਆ ਛਿਦ੍ਰੁ ਅਟਕਲੈ ਆਪਣਾ ਅਹੰਕਾਰੁ ਵਧਾਵੈ ॥
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पराइआ छिद्रु अटकलै आपणा अहंकारु वधावै ॥
Parā▫i▫ā cẖẖiḏar atkalai āpṇā ahaʼnkār vaḏẖāvai.
They complain about other peoples' faults, while their own self-conceit only increases.

ਜੈਸਾ ਬੀਜੈ ਤੈਸਾ ਖਾਵੈ ॥
जैसा बीजै तैसा खावै ॥
Jaisā bījai ṯaisā kẖāvai.
As they plant, so shall they harvest.

ਜਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਾ ਹਰਿ ਧੜਾ ਧਰਮੁ ਸਭ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਜਿਣਿ ਆਵੈ ॥੫॥੨॥੫੪॥
जन नानक का हरि धड़ा धरमु सभ स्रिसटि जिणि आवै ॥५॥२॥५४॥
Jan Nānak kā har ḏẖaṛā ḏẖaram sabẖ sarisat jiṇ āvai. ||5||2||54||
Servant Nanak has joined the Lord's alliance of Dharma, which shall conquer the whole world. ||5||2||54||

Awesome RamanS ji, thanks for the Gurbani which so succinctly gets the point across!

Ishna

Raman S ji the only change I will make in your preamble to the Shabad is in red below as excerpted,

Raman S ji the essence of the above comments is to totally remove ambiguity about the way forward. Key enforcer and enhancer over time is the focus on understanding and always living in consonance with your understanding. Relationships come and go even with the almighty, but understanding never dissipates unless one gets sick, etc., that impacts holding on to the understanding.

Even living in consonance is a big challenge but it is recognized as a challenge through understanding hence best chance of achievement.

If I may coin a phrase and I may be repeating that has been said by someone else as follows,


From Gurmat Vicchar perspective, I believe the above approach takes you beyond literals when understanding Gurbani and takes you closer to the essence of what Guru ji and Gurbani say.

One suggestion if I may make based on the assumption that you can read Punjabi. When quoting a Shabad, read Professor Sahib Singh ji's Viakhiya and don't believe 100% what you read but use it to provide a summary of your understanding of the Shabad. Don't be worried in case someone proves one wrong in such. You will get ahead of most in very short time and benefit.

Hope above is clear and of value.

Sat Sri Akal.

The following example specially for Raman S as to how I try to understand and in reference to possible ways to do Gurmat vicchar,

All errors are mine and I stand corrected as always.

Sat Sri Akal.

Yes, very much so. Thanks to everyone for the clear explanations. In anyone's faith journey, it can be easy to misinterpret the meaning of passages without considering the context of what was written. Thus the reason for my question. Everyone here has been very kind in helping with this and it is appreciated.

I have not seen the earlier post as your post was enough to tell as to that you want to discuss.

The truth is that we are all 'transients' and part of that WHOLE who by HIS order made us HIS parts of system as a whole.
AnD THAT WHOLE IS UNCHANGING..IT WAS ,IS AND SHALL BE AS IT IS>
That 'WHOLE' is that we have to integrate with.
The ultimate conclusion.
It would be as per HIS desires and Order and Wishes.
We have no say in these matters.
HIS command is that we all wait for,
For
we are also a small part of that WHOLE

Thank you Ambarsaria ji,
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Your edit of my comments greatly helped my understanding and that quote was great. I am realizing just how important the words we use really are. I will definitely read Prof Sahib Singh's Viakhya from now on as a useful summary. Up to now, when I am trying to further my understanding I just click on the Gurbani Shabad to see the definition in srigranth.org. Replacing the word relationship I was using with understanding really clears up the meaning. Because we may feel we have a relationship with God or sometimes we might feel separated. But our understanding of Creator and creation will stay constant and guide us through life.