Sikhism, A Religion Created By God

BhagatSingh · #28 (**permalink**) 14-Mar-2009, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tony

I wasnt trying to say we all worship the same God although I think we do, As Guru Nanak said there is no muslim or hindu he implies that we do

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He was trying to bring people together. He knew both worshipped a different God and he rejected the bad bits of both keeping what he thought would be an intelligent way to describe God. Of crouse, the Sargun Nirgun concept is also there which takes into account any God.

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All the prophets in all the religions have tried to tell men of their wrong doings

Not all prophets did that, and not all were prophets.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #29 (**permalink**) 14-Mar-2009, 08:19 AM

Dear All,
The basic problem that we all face is "terminology".
There is GOD..and there is "God..the father-God the Son God the Holy Ghost"....then there is God - the Allah ( Incidentally by a recently passed Law..we NON-Muslims in Malaysia cannot use the word A***H in any writing/poll/newspaper/publishing materials/etc etc among a few other "muslim" words !!..or we will be dragged to court -)..and various other usages of the same WORD.
But we forget or take for granted that the PERSONALITY behind the "Same Word" is DIFFERENT..its only the word that is the same..not the ENTITY. Thus WAHEGURU cannot be the God the father who had a God the Son...so in what way are are saying we all worship the SAME GOD ??
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/general-discussion/19447-sikhism-a-religion-created-by-god.html
WAHEGURU Never demanded any sacrifice of any sheep/cows/corn/son..as the GOD of ABRAHAM certianly DID...WAHEGURU never set forth a Covenant with anybody/any race syaing you are MY OWN RACE..The God of Abraham did that !!
Its time we Sikhs got things right....its fundamentally faulty to keep on insisting that .."ALL" religions teach the same...all religions ..all prophets...are from the same GOD etc. There are fundamental differences - although there is just ONE "GOD" ..He is perceived DIFFERENTLY by the different religions and he does things differently for his followers.....and since the religious books and traditions have already codified Him as they see fit...and are even stamping "COPYRIGHT" on that...it looks bleak that we can unify all religions ??? 500 years after Guru nanak ji..there are more than One Billion Muslims and One billion hindus....each of these is following his own version of "God"...am i being overly pessimistic ??

Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19447
Here is the link to the news about Malaysian law on Allah..http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/i...taining-allah-

BhagatSingh · #30 (**permalink**) 14-Mar-2009, 08:39 AM

i thought that last bit of your post had to do with my post. but I did not really understand it, please clarify from here: it looks bleak ...

Narayanjot Kaur · #31 (**permalink**) 14-Mar-2009, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

Dear All,
The basic problem that we all face is "terminology".
There is GOD..and there is "God..the father-God the Son God the Holy Ghost"....then there is God - the Allah ( Incidentally by a recently passed Law..we NON-Muslims in Malaysia cannot use the word A***H in any writing/poll/newspaper/publishing materials/etc etc among a few other "muslim" words !!..or we will be dragged to court -)..and various other usages of the same WORD.
But we forget or take for granted that the PERSONALITY behind the "Same Word" is DIFFERENT..its only the word that is the same..not the ENTITY. Thus WAHEGURU cannot be the God the father who had a God the Son...so in what way are are saying we all worship the SAME GOD ??
WAHEGURU Never demanded any sacrifice of any sheep/cows/corn/son..as the GOD of ABRAHAM certianly DID...WAHEGURU never set forth a Covenant with anybody/any race syaing you are MY OWN RACE..The God of Abraham did that !!
Its time we Sikhs got things right....its fundamentally faulty to keep on insisting that .."ALL" religions teach the same...all religions ..all prophets...are from the same GOD etc. There are fundamental differences - although there is just ONE "GOD" ..He is perceived DIFFERENTLY by the different religions and he does things differently for his followers.....and since the religious books and traditions have already codified Him as they see fit...and are even stamping "COPYRIGHT" on that...it looks bleak that we can unify all religions ??? 500 years after Guru nanak ji..there are more than One Billion Muslims and One billion hindus....each of these is following his own version of "God"...am i being overly pessimistic ??

Here is the link to the news about Malaysian law on Allah..Selangor bans Indonesian song containing 'Allah'

tony · #32 (**permalink**) 14-Mar-2009, 23:05 PM

Dear Antonia ji
I wasnt disagreeing with you about rumi at all, merely that i thought that all religions have the same God, But as the Guru Granth Sahib ji is written at the same time as God spoke to the Guru jis then it is fair to say that Sikhism was a religion started by God and it has stayed that way since as it hasnt been altered. all other religions how ever where written well after the founder died and therefore possibly isnt what was told to the founder, the stories where changed to suit, words added, meanings altered whole stories put in may be, who knows what the founders where told as the original copys have never been seen. It is as Gyani ji said it is the way people percieved what god wants them to do and how man percieves God that differs, Thus i can say with fear of contradiction that Sikhism is the only religion that knows what god wanted of his true followers as it his is words that are contain in the Guru Granth Sahib ji. If i offended anyone from another religion my apologies
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19447
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=19447
Tony

Narayanjot Kaur · #33 (**permalink**) 14-Mar-2009, 23:51 PM

tony ji

I did not think you were disagreeing with me about Rumi. There is nothing in the above that I disagree with except the idea that we are all worshiping the same God. Having said that, I also don't feel any irritation whatsoever with your perspective. It is not my place to be irritated. And there are many who offer the perspective that we are divided by religion but worship the same God. That is what I don't agree to.