SPNer in Focus - Lee Douglas

dear jimrinx brother thank you i was earlier not aware of the exact word for such people deist hmm sounds interesting somewhat similar to my thoughts.

brother we are neither Americans nor Europeans we are Indians the oldest civilization of this world yet not civilized.one must come to India and go to places like Assam or Bengal or jharkhand,bihar anywhere and ask a poor man what does religion mean what is god to him he will surely reply i will thank god if i get a meal twice a day.on the other hand we have the westerners people who have everything(most of them) and they are looking for a religion atheism and all such sort of things are the inventions of such people westerners convert to Indian religions for spirituality and Indians are converting to their established religions for food,education and many other things a few years back if a poor man converted to Christianity he was given 5000 Indian rupees not much but enough for the poor his kids were ensured with proper education but most of them didn't even knew who was Christ?others converted to give away their "shudra" image
religion is not an important thing for your people i have interacted with many westerners on Internet some of them have converted to Hinduism some to Buddhism and all they say is that people are not affected by our religion it is a personal choice but it is completely different here you can be targeted because of religion. acts like anti Sikh riots and Gujarat riots are claim to this and a few days back many Christians were killed in the south.
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you must watch this religion is a key to success in politics


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brother India is a land where men like Guru Nanak,Buddha and Krishna were born they did their best to teach us books like Gita and Guru Granth sahib were composed in India if still we didn't learned there must be something wrong with our understanding and our perceptions i am not sure how much change Thomas Paine and his ideology will bring about(i am not trying to underestimate him not trying to diminish his personality) you know what i mean.

 
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i surely missed some thing, how ever civilized people may become or may claim to become their true faces come in front of the world sooner or later what Indians did after the death of Indira Gandhi was not different from what Americans did after 9/11 human nature some qualities of human nature prevail every where

Dear Sikh Royalist ji, et al
I should note that I wrote a very long reply to your Important and Moving reminder of those evil days; but, when I tried to post it, it went 'bye-bye'.
Soooo....let me try again; first by pointing out that I am, perhaps, running the risk of offending people (though Mai ji; who lost a child to Blue Star; has very nobily learned to 'forgive') with this reply; because you've asked someone who is still very attached to the Buddhas admonitions that 'Loving Kindness' and 'Compassion' (of which, "Forgiveness", is the hardest 'required thing' of them all to accomplish!) come Above All Else!
I've spoken to and exchanged comments with Sikh's who saw this unfortunate incident two ways: That Armed Militants (if they weren't 'set up' that is) should never have holed up in the Golden Temple in the first place - and thus they brought Disaster upon all of you (and, yes, my Brother - I know that the British promised you, and the Kurds, and a thousand others, a 'Sikhistan'); That the Indian Army should not have fired upon them, either way - and they thus should take ALL of the 'blame' for it.
Personally; I probably fall into the first category - though I'm by no means endorsing Blue Star, any more than I would endorse the assassination of Mrs. Ghandi - or the Cannonading of Sikh Freedom Fighters (who I, a Veteran of 'The Continental Army', can truly sympathize with!), by the British Army, in the 1800's.
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If it makes you feel any better: where is Ananda? In ruins. Have you ever seen Berlin? They've preserved sections of the city - including the Frauchurch - in it's post-WW2 ruined state, as a reminder to Dem Deutche Volk, that War never 'pays'.
Herein lies the reason I recommended Thomas Paine; he is what we call a "Humanist" - not a Theocrat, a Demagogue, or (I'm sorry to point out) a 'Royalist'.
He taught that God is Good in the Chruch, the Temple, the Gurdwara - but should be left out of Political Affairs as much as possible; which is why I pointed out we've had only one nasty Civil War in America - and that had nothing to do with religion.
Or, to put it another way, we've had ZERO (almost - their are some who'd disagree; take Waco, Texas, and The Branch Davidians, for example; though I feel that, if you want a 13mm Automatic Weapon, and the FBI/ATF wants to see it - you'd better show it to them! What 'Civillian' purpose could there be for an Armor Penetrating Machine Gun, after all?) 'Blue Stars' - and no 'real' Wars of Religion.
Woulds't but that we could say that about European - or Indian - History, eh?
As far as our Post 9/11 response; you've been poisoned by too much CNN or, worse yet, FOX News! These organizations have turned News Reporting into a kind of 'Circus Maximus' or 'Gladiatorial Combat' type affair; all about 'EXPLOSIONS' - 'DEATH TOLL' - 'MURDER MOST FOUL!' - rather than Honest and Responsible News Coverage.
I'm ashamed of Americans who demanded War (especially with Iraq!) - and Proud of thousands of New Yorkers who'd lost Loved Ones, in the WTC, who marched in the streets carrying signs that said, "NO WAR in OUR Names"!
Did you see them? How about the thousands, and thousands of IRANIANS (of all the supposedly 'Axis of Evil' Impirialists!) who marched, carrying candles, through the streets of every major Iranian City, to express Solidarity with the 9/11 Victims?
I didn't see THAT on the Mainstream American News - I saw it on FreeSpeachTV, LINK/Mosaic TV, and Reporters Without Borders.
All of these Great Organizations have Web-links - I'd suggest that you check them out, when you get tired of the 'BOMBS' - 'DEATH' - 'MUTILATIONS' approach of the MSM (Main Stream Media).
To conclude: It's only People like US, Sikh Royalist ji, who can make things different! Two 'Wrongs' DO NOT ever make a 'Right', my friend! I hope you - and all the others on SPN who share the Pain - the Humiliation - of having suffered through Blue Star, can find some solace in these words.
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Peace - I MEAN IT! Before someone 'pushes the Nuclear button'! Sikhsim holds the Answer! I KNOW IT! Be True!

HELLO MR LEE,
I HAVE ALSO BECOME AN ARDENT FAN OF YOURS AND HONESTLY SPEAKING IT IS JUST RECENTLY THAT I HAVE STARTED FEELING ATTACHED TO GOD AND SIKHISM AND WANT TO GIVE THE BEST IN SPREADING THE MESSAGE OF OUR GURUS TO THE REST OF THE WORLD,MAY GOD BLESS YOU IN ALL YOUR FUTURE ENDEAVOURS AND THE SPIRIT OF "KHALSA" BRIGHTEN,CHAK DE,REGARDS

PARMINDER SINGH MANCHANDA

Manchanda ji,
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Welcome then my friend, and please it is just Lee.