You have made a very thought provoking post. I think I will raise this as a seperate topic.

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Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

Dear Gyani Jarnail Singh ji,

Thanks a lot for this post!

It really made me think hard after long time after about biased nature of peopes
Especially the Sants of present and also Past who have always argued against the Meat are clearly biased on the issue,

Thanks for the post !!


Jatinder Singh

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Gurfateh

If we all started to work as per expirance of Sants and try to live like them,as they want us to folow thier persoanl expiriance,then leave aside Sikh life,we may find it difficult to live human life as well.

Sants are good to preach faith to non Sikhs or Sikhs moving away from Panths.Once we are in Panth,then Panth and Gurbani is our guide and no needs of Sant at that time but need of Akal.

I think it is very interesting what you have said here. I have often debated on other sites that our Guru is the Guru Granth Sahib ji, so why do we bother with someone in between our Guru (Sants etc) to interpret it for us?

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Randip Singh
Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

I eventually read your 30 page article! Though still in brief. Non Sikhs ask me what is the stance on meat eating and I have always told them (due to my fathers influence) We are not against meat eating (as per the Asa De Var - can't remember which exact bit. I am at work again!).

It is sort of accepted as long as you kill the meat yourself. If you have the guts to kill (by Jhatka method), skin and cook an animal then eat it. But in this day and age where our meat buying habits are so 'sanatised' I won't get the option of killing an animal myself and cooking it - I don't think I could even do it, therefore the vegitarianism kicks in. So I try and be veggie as much as possible. I don't eat Beef as the paper points out - for respect of Hindusim (especially as my wife is Hindu).

And recently I, my dad, brother (my sister and Mom are veg anyway) and a few of my Sikh mates (and non sikhs once I explain it to them) have stopped eating Halaal meat. I never even considered it until I realised the impact of my actions and when you are out on the drink it is oh so easy to just grab a chiken kebab and not think this is Halal.

The whole langar thing - I was told because a meat eater will eat veg but a veg can't eat meat so its just simpler and no one is offended.


In a word - I have been brought up that Sikhism is not simply against it. Other factors play a part in why in general we try and be vegitarian.

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Randip Singh
Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

Gurfateh

Sants are good to guide if they come to thnk the level of Sikh and then tell him/her to lie lfe accordingly and not by own life which may not be same as commoin Sikh.

So far das saw only one Baba who is not Anti to meat eating ie Baba Virsa Singh Ji.While some other Samprada peole do respect meat eating people as a Sikh but not as part of thier Samprda(order).But things get compliacted when we are told that meat eater is not a Sikh or does go agaonst code.It can be against bebcki code but not the Sikh code.

where do you get off telling us what is or is not permitted, this zakir and his views will have no bearing on our religion, if you wanna discuss Sikhism then draw your references from Sikh sources or raise a discussion on eating meat in a comparitive religion perspective. I have already addressed zakirs views on the islamicboard website but they banned me because i exposed how **** of a scholar he really is, bring any topic here and we will discuss, i challenge you!!!

isdhillon

Dear Friends

Here is latest interesting stuff !

I came accross this online petetion

Interesting thing about it is it says in Sikhism

1) Eating meat is equivalent to MURDER
2) It is Bajjer Kurehat

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I dont know from where people get such stuffd and als interesting thing is that nearly 800 people signed this petetion

Quote:

To: Guru Panth Petition to Boycott Meat served in GuruKaLangar in Sikh Camp We have recently found out that meat is being served in the Langar of a Sikh camp in Detroit! We were very shocked by this and first didn't believe it, but the story told to us by a young camper was confirmed a couple of days ago by one of the followers of the camp's leader Kuldeep Singh. We are asking the whole Sikh community to sign this petition to boycott that camp until they stop serving meat in the Langar. Everyone knows that meat is prohibited in Sikhism and it is a big sin, it is like committing murder. In lots of places in Bani eating meat and serving it is considered a big sin. This is why meat is never served in Langar in any Gurdwara in the world. But, this person Kuldeep Singh is serving meat in his camp after Keertan programs in the morning and evening. He is also teaching Bani and Sikh history there and in between the classes the children are being corrupted and fed meat at this camp in Detroit. Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale used to say that anyone who eats meat doesn't read Bani or understand anything the Guru is telling us. Such a person is turning their back on Sikhism and joining forces with the evil people. But the minds of the children of this detroit camp are being corrupted because they are being told that it is ok to eat meat in Sikhism. This goes against everything in Bani and Sikh history. But they are not taught that eating meat is a bajar kuraet. Instead they are preaching that meat is ok to eat, even after Keertan and right before Keertan as well! So please everyone sign this petition. And pass this on to all of your friends and sign this until we can get this stopped. Also everyone should boycott this camp and do not send your children there or let any of your family or friends send their children. They will be corrupted against the values of Sikhism. Please sign and pass on. Sincerely, http://www.petitiononline.com/guruguru/petition.html

JAtinder Singh


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