Gurfateh

Arya Samaj is divided into two part,one which claims to be Hindu is pro veg while those who cal Arya Dharam greter then Hindus eat meat a lot.

Das thnks here you talk about Sant Nirnakaris,whhich are at loggerhead with Panth and not the true Nirnakaris(who still are there in few numbers in Chandigarh),Both are pro to jhatka meat but Sant Niranakris may eat Halal also.


Asutos Ji,preach that Islam,Hindusim,Sikhism,Christianity etc. all preach vegitarianism.For which they even tell lies also.They are vegis.

Das saw only one Baba with Ashram or Dera who supports non veg and that is Baba Virsa Singh Ji.

Here is an example of some of the most lamest responses I have had about this issue....baring LK:

http://forums.waheguroo.com/index.php?showtopic=14714

Just abuse...no counter argument.

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Randip Singh
Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

the anti hindu pro communist swami agnivesh belongs to which category meat eating or not meat eating.

i posted the article on sikhportal and responses started coming in without reading the article.the problem is not vegetarianism but obsession with it.
they don't want to study Sikhism with open mind
what their jatha,sant,samprada says about meat they just accept that with closed eyes

The Debate is NOT about encouraging or discouraging meat/vegetariansm.
GURBANI warns about CHASKA....loosely translated as :ADDICTION: , "OVERindulgnece"..."cant live without it..type of thing. ON Page 15 of SGGS in Sri Raag Guru nanak LISTS 6 such CHASKAS we all have....
1. Chaska of Collecting GOLD, SILVER, WEALTH, 2. Chaska of Having the most beautiful WOMEN around us..3. Chaska of Perfumes and scents for our Body, 4. Chaska of having the best horse, elephant etc to ride - Modern equivalent - BMW/MERC/Ferari/Porsche in the driveway even though we may have to skip meals to pay the monthly installment, 5. Chaska of having the best MANSION palace to live in...how we love to renovate and renovate ourselves into debt !!..and LAST on the LIST is ..Chaska of SWEET FOODS..and MEAT.

YES......GURU JI LISTS the Chaska of MEAT LAST..after one for SWEETS- laddoos, jalebis, barfis, khoa,

IN WHAT WAY have our great SANTS and BRAHMGIANIS LEAPFROGGED GURU JIs LIST from 1 - 6....over everything incluidng the loads of laddoos and jalebis we eat daily...to hit the Brakes at MEAT..and choke on this. TO Guru Ji...meat is just one small CHASKA...the LEAST important of all. GO look at SRI RAAG Mahalla Pehla Page 15 SGGS. Are we Cleverer than GURU JI...

SHOW me ONE SANT who advises AGAINST GOLD COLLECTING...and I will show you HUNDREDS of such MANGTAH TOKREE DHOING SANTS..whose only mission in life is to Cover every Gurdawra done with GOLD, Plaki with GOLD..next will be GOLDEN Battas, GOLDEN Bhanddehs in Guru ka langgar...and GOLD SGGS
My advice..READ GURBANI yourself..veero ate bhenno...dont listen to half educated and uneducated people trying to push outdated and wrong beleifs down your throat...Maas Maas kar MOORAKH JHaggrreh..is GURU NANAK JI SPEAKING...not some half baked brahmgiani !!

Ask any medico..overindulgence in ANYTHING is bad...Maah dee daal gives soem bad knees...some foods give gas problesm to some...ghee is bad for heart patients...so and so on..GURU JI ADVISES..RESTRAINT..SEHAJ...GO SLOW....ON EVERYTHING..eating, sleeping...whatever we do. Even too much SAAG will KILL YOU..so use your god given brains..AAklle SAHIB SEviahn..says GURU NANAK JI again...

Jarnail Singh Gyani

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take a look at the following post from tapoban
http://www.tapoban.org/phorum/read.p...=82234&t=82234
Author: in sochna mood
Date: 05-29-06 08:34
bhupinder singh ji i too have a question for you my brother.
if a Sikh eats meat they are bound by karma automatically to pay off the debt back in to charasi lakh joon. Such as a person eating a chicken will be born one in next life right? if muslims eat meat everyday, and even for days marked with observance for God how would they even advance up to any low form of heaven before paying the price of maas munching?
heavens compared to sach khand are low form but how can meat eaters even spend the next life in a place where they will not pay back this price of consuming flesh of a being? surely maas munchers debt to karm would be heavier than any amount of praying they did. how could it balance off some good over bad?
from what i have been informed on the laws after death, the amount of bodies we eat we will have to come back as each one. That would then cancel out any chance of having any heavenly pleasure if people have munched 10 000 animals in lifetime. or would charity and praying a bit make a difference?
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now where it is written in gurmat that if a person eat meat then he is reborn into that joon.what philosophy these people are following.by that logic if a person eat human meat then he will reborn into human being.
these people are hopeless case they are what brahmins are to hinduism

I have a section in the article that tackles Chaurasi Lakh Joon head on.........copy and post it.

There is no difference in Joon between rock, plant, animal......only humans are different.

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Randip Singh
Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

nice essay.

but if you look at it logically, dont you think that God will punish you for killing animals in order to eat them?

i talked to an aunti, she said that the hukamnama from Guru Govind Singh Maharaj was that we arent allowed to eat meat, and not only "halal meat"...
she says that it is those wicked shcholars that came up after 1984 that has been saying this in order to divide us bla bla...

There is no Hukamnama from Guru Gobind Singh ji saying this. Read the essay, because there is a section that deals with Hukamnama's of Guru Hargobind that allegedly state not eating meat. However, there is another by Guru Gobind Singh ji that says its ok to eat meat so long as it is not Halal.

Also there is a section that deal with the Chaurasi Lank joon argument....i.e. minerla, vegetable, animal then human..................however......Bani does not say this...............it says you have Human life at on level....then below that animal, plant....mineral at one level.

Read it in the essay rather than me explain it....its been kept short for ease of reading.

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Randip Singh
Sikh History Website

"Let no man be proud because of his caste/race (Jaat).
For the man who has God in his heart, he alone is the true Brahmin.
O stupid fool, be not proud of your caste/race (Jaat), by this pride many sins arise.
Everyone says there are four castes/races (Jaat), but they are all created from the Lords seed (essence).
All men are moulded from the same clay, but the potter has fashioned it into vessels of numerous forms.
By joining the five elements, the form of the body is made, no one can say that the element is less in one and more in another" Pg 1128 SGGS

sath shri akal.

i have read the article, and i am a meat eater myself, but i keep thinking that it is wrong to kill just for pleasure of the tongue.

is there not bad karma attached to eating meat? i know that plants have a soul to, but i heard they dont give karma.

what are we suppose to eat if everything has life :S...

if god is going to punish us for killing animals
then what about the use of pesticides . for growing non organic vegetarian food millions of insects are killed. isn,t god going to punish us
killing so many insects.is the life of insect less valuable than an animal.

vegetarianism as a theory invented by people living in fertile areas.but god has not created fertile area everywhere.what about the people living in coastal areas icy region .is god going to punish them for eating meat .if god wanted humans to be vegetarian
then he should have created fertile area everywhere.