
19-Mar-2008, 04:01 AM
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| | | | | Re: Meditation Quote:
Originally Posted by pk70 Jasleen _ Kaur ji
Guru Fateh
Sorry I am late in responding to your questions
You can call me G N Singh if you wish !
Let me answer your question regarding my comment about levels of Sikhi.
I strongly feel that there are no levels for understanding Gurbani. Why? Because, as I have encountered some people with long experience in understanding Gurbani, sadly I have found their minds totally closed and they are glued to what they strongly believe in. Speaking about such people, there is no level to understand Gurbani. At whatever level they start, they
just stick there, if any one try to share a new idea, they will draw their swords to defend what they believe in. If they note some other one is convinced with the new idea, they dont forgive him/her either. Growth is stopped totally. |
so because you have met people who's understanding of Gurbani has not grown with time, you do not believe that OTHER people's understanding CAN grow?
i'm sorry. i study and pray every day that my understanding WILL grow. i can only hope your theory is wrong. i'm sorry to say that, i don't mean in in a personal way. but i think it's in all of our best interest to be able to grow in our understanding of Gurbani, even if you know some people who do not.
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19-Mar-2008, 09:19 AM
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| | | | | Re: Meditation [Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 305] From dawn he sings divine hymns of the Guru, And meditates while sitting or standing, (In all postures). Whosoever recites my Lord with every breath, Such a God-centric person is blessed by the Master. [Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 35] If one were to consider the time and mood, How would one select a particular time to meditate? [Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji 35] If one were to forget Him even for a moment, What sort of meditation would that be?
The Guru then advises the pilgrim of divinity: [Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji: 35] O my mind, concentrate on God’s name, True adoration is that, When the True Lord dwells in the mind!
The true Gursikh, in the final stage, perceives himself as a part of the cosmos, without his own small ego or worldly worries bothering him, verily the true purport of Vairag: [Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji : 1422] Those God-centrists who are imbued with the Beloved’s love, Nanak, they are merged in the true love day and night, God-centrists have true love whereby they attain to the True Lord, They remain in a state of constant bliss, O Nanak, they remain in pure beatitude.
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19-Mar-2008, 15:23 PM
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| | | | | Re: Meditation Quote:
Originally Posted by jasleen_kaur so because you have met people who's understanding of Gurbani has not grown with time, you do not believe that OTHER people's understanding CAN grow?
i'm sorry. i study and pray every day that my understanding WILL grow. i can only hope your theory is wrong. i'm sorry to say that, i don't mean in in a personal way. but i think it's in all of our best interest to be able to grow in our understanding of Gurbani, even if you know some people who do not.
fateh! | jasleen_kaur ji
As in the beginning I wrote that it was my view( about level of understanding Gurbani ) and it doesnt mean I am right or you are wrong. I just expressed my views with example. You disagree, so it be, it doesnt bother me. I would not call you wrong regardless of my stand in this context. | 
21-Mar-2008, 12:25 PM
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There is a story of a nun who was very fond of apples but wished to get rid of this fascination. She would keep the apple near her pillow and tried to keep her mind away from its aroma. She became a nervous wreck as it became too much to either ignore it or eat it and find peace. It is nothing more than the classic hath-yoga behaviour. It leads to a sense of rage, frustration and longing which further results in aggressive relapse in any person. Guru Nanak was against such practices.
It is affirmed that all names by which God is remembered are sacred, and may be freely employed, as desired and convenient for the Sikh, without any hesitation or reservation about it being either of classical Sanskrit, Arabic or of any other religious usage, so far that these satisfy the disciple. More than one hundred names have been used in the Guru Granth Sahib, which are repeated and sung with relish by the Sikhs. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20396
But the state of ecstasy of Wah-e-Guru remains unmatched for a Sikh in enchantment and love with God, where nothing is abhorrent and all enchants!
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21-Mar-2008, 12:36 PM
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| | | | | Re: Meditation Hope you like this as much as I do. I had to share it with you. From Bandginama by Raghbir Singh
Through repetition of God’s Name, we begin to be moulded in His pattern and we begin, to assimilate His virtues. The story goes that a certain Man told a Mahatma of his yearning to find God. The Mahatma advised him to repeat God’s Name. The man rejoined, “When I resort to Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20396
Nam, my mind wanders.” The Mahatma asked, “What do you hold in dearest affection?”
He replied,“My milch-buffalo is my dearest possession.”
From Guru Arjan Dev
The Mahatma said,“In seclusion, visualize your milch-buffalo”
The man did what he was told he closed the doors of his room and concentrated his mind on the buffalo. The man’s wife complained to the Mahatma that her husband had shut himself up in his room for days together and showed no signs of emerging from it. The Mahatma went to the man’s house and asked him to come out of his room. He replied, “How can I come out? I am a she-buffalo, my horns are long, and they will not allow me to come out of the room.”
The Mahatma said, “You are right. Now cease to think of the she-buffalo,
think of your real self, and by so doing, you will begin to think of yourself as
a man.”
A few days later, the man went to see the Mahatma. The Mahatma patted him on the back, and said that mental concentration was full of potentialities,“ Just as you turned into a she-buffalo and back again into yourself, similarly, if you so desire, you can transform yourself into an angel, and from an angel into God.” Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20396
The value of Nam transcends that of charity, meditation and austerities.
He who meditates on God’s name
realizes all his objectives.
pun dan jap tap jete sabli upari namu
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30-Mar-2008, 14:54 PM
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| | | | | Re: Meditation Respected aad ji,
Thanks for a nice post.I missed it due to connectivity problems that I am bogged down with. Yes., I do appreciate the message that has gone through this parable. Kindly post one or two of this kind as I have not any background on this. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20396
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30-Mar-2008, 20:23 PM
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| | | | | Re: Meditation God made man in his own image. He put his divine spark in man, which is called "The Soul". The soul enters bodily forms according to individual's actions. The wall of ego separates the soul from God.
According to the teachings of Sikh Guru's in their writings, man is a focal point in the universe, he is the apex of creation, the final stage. Human life is the starting point for God-realization. Just as the body is sustained by food and drink, in the same way the soul is nourished by virtue and devotion. When the soul progresses with the performance of good deeds and the remembrance of the Name, it becomes more worthy of a merger to divinity. This leads to the cycle of birth and death. Metempsychosis can only be ended through meditation or the acquisition of divine grace. Quoted from http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat...an-life-2.html Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20396 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20396 | 
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