Concept Of Naam Simran In Gurmat

The very answer to the question "What is Simran?" depends on the answer to the question "What is Mukti?", for the destination and path are correlated.

If Mukti is an internal mystical union with God, then the path of repetition should help. Jewish mystics are known to succeed with their experiences of Throne Mysticism, Christian mystics have sucessfully made internal journeys through The Dark Night of the Soul, the Indian Jogis have their internal experiences as can be found in Patanjili's Yog Sutras and Gorakh Bodh. But this is not GN's[GN=Guru Nanak or the Sabad Guru Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji] path to Mukti.

To GURU NANAK an internal mystical experience is just another pleasure of the Mind, it is "Avra Saad".

He has recommended Vichar and Keertan, and both are enemies of meditation---Vichar requires a thinking Mind, a fresh Mind that should ask questions. But meditation requires a Mind that doesnot talk; meditation requires a Mind that concentrates on a particular word only. And is Keertan not a disturbance to meditation? It is! There is a Gurudwara in Mohali where Keertan was replaced by "Satnam Waheguru". To my surprise it was a big success, and to my expectations all Keertan addicts stopped participating in it. However, good sense prevailed and after one year the Keertan was restored because the initial craze for "Satnam Waheguru" could not be "sustained".

Keertan is taboo in Jog. Bodhis also donot have a tradition of Keertan.

Mohammed banned all music because it is a hindrance to counting the 99 names of Allah.

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But when it comes to Sikhism, Keertan is central.

OUR MUKTI IS NOT A MYSTICAL EXPERIENCE WITH THE "COSMIC". Our Mukti is through Naam and "Waheguru" is an expression of thankfulness to GN.

"Waheguru" is spontaneous, an Anhad Naad.

Naam is not an activity. It is another word for a sustainable way of life[the Gurmukh's]. It is not that a Gurmukh is not close to God, and it is not that he doesnot remember God. Only the path is different, and emotions are different. A guiltless Gurmukh listens the Keertan, does social work and the[resultant] pleasure maketh him utter WAH-E-GURU.

A Gurmukh is a Sewadar who works for others, who socializes. A Gurmukh is concerned with making this world a better place. He is a person with a mission. He sees God in His creation, in the poor, in the needy. It is all Vismaad for him, and he sings Keertan to express that Vismaad and ecstatic love. His God is somewhere there. He loves Him like a mother who loves and yet never uses the artifices of rosary, idol or repetition to love her child. A lover uses Waris Shah's "Heer" to experience the bond with her NRI husband, and not a rosary or cassette to repeat his name!

The Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji passages on Naam are to be understood in this light. GN has redefined the duo of "Ram" and "Naam" to Omnipresence and an ethical way of living respectively.

Leading the life of a Gurmukh is Mukti, but that is not easy, it requires a constant Vichaar, and yet Gurmukhta is not for all, because most stray.

AMARDEEP SINGH

 
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Good article Jarnail Singh Ji!
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"He has recommended Vichar and Keertan, and both are enemies of meditation---Vichar requires a thinking Mind, a fresh Mind that should ask questions. But meditation requires a Mind that doesnot talk; meditation requires a Mind that concentrates on a particular word only. And is Keertan not a disturbance to meditation?"
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i dont quite agree with this. Veechar and Meditation arent enemies. Veechar is a good thing because of teh ability to teach, etc. And meditation is good because we well... meditate! No kirtan in not a disturbance to meditation, why you may ask? because kirtan is like meditation, for Sikhs meditation isnt sitting tehre all quiet like Buddhists, meditation is when we do paath and pray, so whats kirtan? kirtan is the same thing, but with music in the background. We all love music no matter what, so kirtan is an added bonus to Sikhs because it has music in it!

Sher Singh Ji, i think you misread the message a bit... Amardeep Ji further explains his statements like this -->

So, that seems to be exactly the same what you are saying

Gianiji


Waheguru ji ka khalsa,
Waheguru ji ki fateh


You have said right but presented in mannner which only confuses learner.
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Gurbani tells us, Gurmukh japiye laie dhayan. It means that gurmukh while living by the principles and teachings of the Gurus when chants His glorious virtues or does keertan single minded, it is meditation. Gurbani further tells us, " Sabbh tai uttam har ki katha -Naam sunat dhard dukh latha - God speach is the highest And hearing the Naam, pain and sorrows are removed, then mind by itself is fresh and from worries" I hope it clears the contradiction. Since Gurbani tells us, "kalyug mai keertan pardhana. Therefore through the keertan possiblities of merging with God is speedy. If this keertan is not profession but devotion and this devotion turns to dhayana. And this dhayana becomes the cause of union.
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Regards Sahni Mohinder

Guru Nanak says to break the cycle of death and rebirth; selfless service and meditation on Naam are necessary. He says social service does not guarantee the inner experience of the Master within. If that were true then all social workers would have got their liberation and guided mankind. He says just service gives a sense of superiority and this leads to self-image whereas ‘simran’ as a total surrender works as eraser of ego. It is a human attitude. The moment they give something or do a favor, they think they are different from other and expect different treatment.

Thus we may serve as many patients, construct hospitals, schools and earned a good name and honour, but if this service has not touched the subtleness and then risen to Naam Simraan and awakened our mind, we are not going to break cycle of death and rebirth and thus will be born again and again to stay away from God.

Therefore in order to subdue the ego, Gurbani instructs us to do naam simran alongwith.
Regards Sahni Mohinder

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Waheguru ji ka khalsa,
Waheguru ji ki fateh

Sahni Mohinder Sahib ji has written that If this keertan is not profession but devotion and this devotion turns to dhayana. And this dhayana becomes the cause of union.

Yes, This is true and I request them to write more details on "keertan is not profession but devotion"

What is profession and what is devotion?
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Regards, Saini A S

Dear Saini Ji
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Profession is a kirti whereas devotion and dhayan is kirat. Kirti is our family and needy people around, a social service but bhakti and dhayan is for ourselves only to break the cycle of reincarnation.

Regards Sahni Mohinder

how about being insulted in naam simran?
Please read the new thread post! Thankyou

Can u elborate further. Also please give me url of new thread

Regards Sahni Mohinder

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insulted in front sangat at Gurdwara