Dear Sahni Sahib,

Profession is a kirti whereas devotion and dhayan is kirat.

Kirti is our family and needy people around, a social service

but

bhakti and dhayan is for ourselves only to break the cycle of reincarnation.


What is Kirtan?

WHo is Professional kirtani?

Can Professional Kirtani do Namm Simran?

Is it right to choose Kirtan as profession with devotion towards Guru Sahib?

Please clear this all!!!!

So what is devotion?

and

What is Kirtan?

My answer is offcourse yes
this will be wonderfull you can do dyan and kirti at the same time

but as it has been always hard for man to do bhagati but in this case man will loose bhagati if he didnt put enough effort and what will be left is omly kirt and that tis the reason in present day day their are many kirtania but few who are also bhagats
As practically man thinks that he can live without bhagati but cant live without food ( doing work ..kirt) so he continues his kirt and leaves behind bhagati
but still I think A kirtinia still stands a better chance for bhagati as he is contact with Guru I BAni Daily as part of kirti and he can get coniuos stimulus to move on path of sikhi and bhagati

Jatinder Singh

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PrIdw kwl^ØI ijnI n rwivAw DaulI rwvY koie ]

Dear Archived_member2 ji

KIRTAN AND KIRTANI SINGH

Here is Saini from Toronto, Canada. I have some questions in mind. I have gifted with the Kirtan (Singing Gurbani Shabads). I want to develop it more as I love Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. I wish to devote more and more time towards Kirtan and Katha. I usually listen to Gurmakh Pyaray Sant Singh Ji Maskeen, Joshi veerji from Khanna,Bhai Harjinder SIngh Sri Nagar and most famous Kirtani Jatthas.

Question is : What should be the qualities in Kirtani of Guru Ghar?

Can Katha and Kirtan be made as profession if there is devotion in it towards Nam Simran, guru Sahib Ji?

I need vichar of Sangat in this context, so that I can proceed.

Can somebody help me to become Good Kathavachak and Kirtania........which is fully devotional?

Regards

A S Saini

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The professional Raagis or Keertanias sing Baani most pleasantly but invariably they do not listen to what they are singing.

Actually, whatever the tongue is reading or reciting, the ears should hear intuitively. We must focus our dhayan on listening and on the word so it becomes awareness. Gurbani state, “gurmukh japiyee laey dhiyana - what we need is dhyaan while chanting.<O</O

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The essence of Keertan lies in effective delivery of the inherent message of the Sabd, using Raag and Taal as a medium. The medium must not dominate the essence. Further if Keertan Dhuni is coming from recesses of soul and where the singer is immersed in the meaning of the Sabd then and then only real keertan is done. Like “Eisa Keertan kar mann meray. eeehaan ohaaan jo naal teray. – Sing in a way that this Keertan accompanies one every where.” – Guru Granth ang.236.4. Therefore the bani very forcefully and emphytically says that the gurbani leaves its real impact only if sung in the specific raag of the time. <TT>Remember Gurshabad is Brahm and ‘Antar khohtaa Amrit bhariyaa, Shabadey kaadh pieyh panihari. – deep within the well of heart is filled with Amrit, pull it up and drink it using the boel of Sabd.’ – Guru Granth ang.570.18.</TT>

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Gurbani calls praising Akal Purakh by keertan is a priceless diamond and again but path of devotion is with total surrender (from tan, man, dhan). A Gurmukh is a Sewadar who works for others, who socializes. A Gurmukh is concerned with making this world a better place. He is a person with a mission. He sees Akal Purakh in His creation, in the poor, in the needy. It is all Vismaad for him, and he sings Keertan to express that Vismaad and ecstatic love. His Akal Purakh is somewhere there. He loves Him like a mother who loves and yet never uses the artifices of rosary, idol or repetition to love her child. Without keertan a gursikh is dead corpose.<O></O>

Regards Sahni Mohinder

Dear Sahni Sahib and Archived_member2 Ji

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki fateh

S. Sahni Sahib
You have given an excellent explanation. But should one be professional Kirtania or Nishkam?

According to my views - Nishkam is only waheguru. You can see many people which are advertising Nishkam Kirtania but actually they r making money by other means like running charitable organisations!!!!!!!and cheating people under the Title of Niskamata and under the name of Charitable!!!!!!!!!

Taking money is bad or good if one is fully devotional towards Guru Sahib?
And How much one Kirtania should take : I think as per Sharda of Sanagt and rules of Gurdwara Sahib or Sanagt inviting the Kirtania - No demand!!!!!!!should be there. The only demand should be that One should respect Guru Sahib in all rspects!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, Kirtania himself must listen to the Kirtan, then only he can enjoy the grace of GOD!!!!

Sahni Sahib, u r giving excellent exlanation, please continue this.

Yes, S Archived_member2 ji , I am thankful to u too.
You have also given very good presentation to my questions!!

A S Saini

no reply long time ? why so dear sahni ji and Archived_member2 s jeo

Taking money is bad or good if one is fully devotional towards Guru Sahib?
And How much one Kirtania should take : I think as per Sharda of Sanagt and rules of Gurdwara Sahib or Sanagt inviting the Kirtania - No demand!!!!!!!should be there. The only demand should be that One should respect Guru Sahib in all rspects!!!!!!!!!!!

Dear Saini Sahib

Guru Nanak's teachings does not stop you to make money and live a good an honourable life. When Gurbani tells us, hsMidAw KylµidAw pYnµidAw KwvMidAw ivcyhovy mkiq While laughing, playing, dressing and eating, he is liberated. " - Guru Granth ang.522.10. So we must also like other go for branded clothes, cars, eat in five star hotel if we can afford. There is no restriction or limit to make money so long it is earned sincerely and we share ten percent with those who are deprived off with the facilities to make money.
Regards Sahni Mohinder

Dear sir,.
It is an enlightening article/subject and have been nicely dealt with by your self.Thanks for the same.I shall be grateful if you kindly confirm that one should chant 'waheguru' or 'om' as the sound current flowing in the universe.
hps

Dear hps,

You may choose the one that is more comfortable to you.

"Waheguru" as Gurmantar is given to us by our Gurus. It is simple to pronounce. If you look into the previous posts, you will get some guidelines.

"OM" is an Ancient Mantar. For it to be effective you need to take a personal lesson from someone who is familiar with the vocal. Incorrect pronounciation will yeild no results.

Make sure it is done with "Bhavna" feelings.

Good luck