04-Jan-2012, 15:30 PM
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Taranjeet bhaji, can you please elaborate this line in your post: Quote: |
If we are ready to admit American as sikhs it makes sense that it is we who should encourage 'sahajdharis' to come within the fold of sikhi.
| Are you saying that any American Sikh is on par with a Punjabi sehajdhari?
I look forward to your clarification, please.
Sat Sri Akal. 
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04-Jan-2012, 16:09 PM
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sis, I think he means 3ho |
04-Jan-2012, 16:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh  Taranjeet ji,
I like the way you think...and the Latest "sehajdharee" row in PUNJAB proves my point. Those are sons of SIKHS but who DONT WANT to keep long kesh and want to trim beards etc. They consider themsleves as good as any other sikh and WANT to take part in SGPC elections, get elected, take power....it has happened in Malaysia..nearly half the Gurdwra Parbhandaks are clean shaven, who INSIST that they will ONLY cover their heads inside the darbar sahib (that too becasue its too early to discard that..but over time they WILL)....one insisted on his BALD HEAD being prominently shown on the Cover of a DVD Nagar Kirta non the 400th Anniversary of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...I DONT wear a turban..but I AM a SIKH..so why cover my head on a DVD Cover ?? he said...the three Amrtidharees were shown in the BACKGROUND..becasue they did the "seva/work/leg work..BUT the BALDY provided the FINANCE !! ...and cant speak a word of Punjabi..etc but are Pardhaans skatars...what SIKHI/GURMATT or role models do they teach ?? One Pardhaan has constructed about 10 cubicles *like you find in an IT Office/Bank...with 10 Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji parkash...The Slogan hanging over his gurdwara says..Akhand Paath OFFER..Now so cheap..everyone can have one !! (Slogan copied form Air Asia..Offer..Flying by Air Asia is so cheap..Everyone can FLY ) This guy doesnt speak Punjabi..is cropped...has no clue to any sikh history..THESE are those so called "sehajdharees" making all the noise. GENUINE ones are quietly elarning and sitting in the background..even refusing to take the Panj Piayara Parshaad (I dont deserve it ) but on the otherhand the Cropped Pardhaan types will SACK the Granthi who dares to skip them whn distributing the Panj parshaad !!..so i do know what i am talking about...we need to make new stretegies..NOT Give up and RESIGN... | Sorry, I just cant get my head round this meeting
Amritdhari 1: So what do we put on the front cover of the DVD, how about some tasteful pictures of Guru, or a big Ek Onkar?
Baldy: I want my bald head
Amritdhari 2:Maybe Harminder Sahib, or a small gursikh boy praying
Baldy: No, I want my bald head, I have polished it this morning ready for the photo
Amritdhari 3: What sort of statement is this making? should we not have a religious theme?
Baldy: Look I am paying for this I want a Baldy theme 
my own two pence, I do not consider myself sehajdhari, I am very aware of how short I fall in that dept and it needs to be rectified before I am able to feel any pride in myself, however I feel I cannot just grow hair, I feel that would be an ego or pride action, I also feel I would concentrate more on my looks than my spirituality, I think hair is such a huge part of Sikhi in terms of connection and vibration.........but the desire to cultivate it has to be a wow moment, not a duty
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04-Jan-2012, 16:53 PM
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Sukrit kaur Ji..
Here is the reply..Gajj ke Waheguru ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji KI fateh.
The Hug is on its way via cyber space.... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/essays-on-sikhism/15184-non-sikhs-on-sikhism.html
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Originally Posted by Ishna Taranjeet bhaji, can you please elaborate this line in your post:
Are you saying that any American Sikh is on par with a Punjabi sehajdhari?
Sat Sri Akal. | Hi sis
Sahajdharis in India can easily relate themselves to other sikhs here vis a vis American Sikhs who have recently taken up sikhi but will take time to inculcate the same in the sense that our sahajdhari brothers have already done and achieved. I find it very easy to mix up with sahajdharis here than anyone who is yet to learn correct pronunciation and that itself shall take some time.
But kudos to them as well.!
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05-Jan-2012, 04:49 AM
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Guru Piayario Jios,
Each and everyone who has the tiniest interest,in what our Guru sahibs have to say is a SIKH. Period. Sikh= Learner.....let him/her throw the first stone who is NOT a learner and sees himself/herself as already beyond all learning. clap clap !! That person is not a Sikh but the GURU....yeah..but for the fact thta in Gurbani even the GURUS didnt claim they knew everything...and didnt feel the need to "learn" anymore..just talk top down !!
Fact number tqo..There are Fakes and True people in all groups..amrtidharees, keshadharees, part keshadharees, non-amrtidharees, etc etc..the ultimate JUDGE is the person HIMSELF and The CREATOR. Period. This is what I have learned..un-learned..and still RE-LEARNING form my 60 years of nearness to Gurbani/Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Welcome to the Real World folks and smell the coffee...no ones perfect..heck no ones even close to perfect..ONLy the GURU is ABHULL.  | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
05-Jan-2012, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Taranjeet singh Hi sis
Sahajdharis in India can easily relate themselves to other sikhs here vis a vis American Sikhs who have recently taken up sikhi but will take time to inculcate the same in the sense that our sahajdhari brothers have already done and achieved. I find it very easy to mix up with sahajdharis here than anyone who is yet to learn correct pronunciation and that itself shall take some time.
But kudos to them as well.!
How do you feel about Sahajdharis~ Are they not sikhs or are they? | Bhaji
My perspective on the issue is possibly a bit skewed.
When I look at a Sehajdhari in India who cuts their hair, smokes and drinks, I can't put them at the same place on the Sikh spectrum as even one of the American (or any other kind of non-Indian) Sikhs who keeps all their hair, maintains nitnem and has received amrit via amrit sanchar. I think to put them on par because the Non-Indian Sikh's pronunciation is a little off is a bit harsh.
It's a shame we have to judge each other and where we are at on the journey through Sikhi. This is where organised religion tends to fall down. People should be allowed to learn at their own pace and make the decisions they think are right at the time without being judged by anyone other than Guruji. I'm sure there are plenty of mona sehajdhari Sikhs with more love in their hearts for Ik Onkar than a 10 year Amritdhari who is such in name only, and plenty of Amritdharis who have a more solid relationship with Guruji than countless sehajdharis who couldn't care less about Sikhi and are only Sikhs because they were born into it.
Humans are too complex. We're all just humans trying to swim through the ocean of life.
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05-Jan-2012, 13:22 PM
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No one has a "Copyright" on Gurmatt. The "born" sikhs..sons of sikhs ...claim a copyright on the religion of their fathers..even while openly defying each mandatory teaching of Gurbani..are far distant to even the 3Hos who came voluntarily...most giving up their accepted lifestylesm parental religions etc etc to adopt the Gurmatt way (even if skewed a lot by way of Acquarious and astrology numerology etc etc ). Its like saying..I can even kick my father (becasue he is my father .... i dont respect him or obey him..) BUT..YOU the neighbour cant even bow to him !! or wave to him..becasue he is NOT your father..this is the born sikhs position most times i have met them....NOT TENABLE..Sikhi is a Path and anyone cna walk it...no copyrights and no possesiveness patent rights... | | The following members appreciate Gyani Jarnail Singh Ji for the above message. | |
05-Jan-2012, 17:55 PM
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For a second, lets just put aside the issue of Sehajdhari/Amritdharri sikhs etc
I think the real focus should be on the values a person holds i.e what do they do for a living? What is their family like? This would speak volumes.
If you really want to judge someone if they are worthy of a vote then ask them to do seva by hand and sit a TEST on Sikhism to see what they really understand. If they pass these two things then they should be allowed to vote. Just being practical .. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15184Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=15184
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