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Originally Posted by Rubicon Just because an individual wants to join a group, does not mean they automatically have the right. | In terms of Sikhism, yes, anyone who wants to take amrit should be allowed as long as they are sincere and observing the tennents of Sikhism.
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| | | | | Re: An African American Woman - this is how we preach sikhi???! Sometimes people only want to join a group to show they can. | 
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| | | | | Re: An African American Woman - this is how we preach sikhi???! DrKhalsaji, the fear of rejection is one of the reasons I call myself a "Sikh Unitarian-Universalist." I've yet to go to a gurdwara here, andI know I should give it a chance. Still, I prefer to do my seva and my worshipping with a UU congregation for a variety of reasons. My UU brothers & sisters are incredibly supportive of my path-- and very curious about Sikhism-- it constantly amazes me that such a well-educated group hasn't been exposed to it. I also love the diversity and discussion in a UU congregation. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/essays-on-sikhism/1476-african-american-woman-how-we-preach.html
For those that don't know that "Unitarian-Universalism" is, it's a centuries old spritual path that doesn't advocate any one religion. UUs are free to follow any path they choose for their spiritual truth. Although UU origins are in the Judeo-Christian religions, when other spritual and religious writings and traditions reached UU members, they realized that there was no singular truth. They are like Sikhs that way. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1476
Today there are plenty of UU Christians, UU Jews, UU Buddhists, Hindus, Pagans, Wiccans, secular humanists, etc etc etc but not very many UU Sikhs. However, I do know that we have a handful-- some ex-3HOs, some Punjabi Sikhs who don't have a Gurdwara close to them, and some independents like me who luckily stumbled upon the religion and saw the truth within it. | 
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| | | | | Re: An African American Woman - this is how we preach sikhi???! Dear Joginder
Forgive me for the confusion I may have created
As per this article it was not written by me I just found this article on the internet Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1476
Anyway you can say that same kind of thing happened to me though i was born in Sikh family it took me years to realise the essence of sikhism
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| | | | | Re: An African American Woman - this is how we preach sikhi???! Sat Sri akaal, Sangat Jio.. do you think that Sikhism is only for the Punjabis and anyone else seeking to become a sikh must have the permission from Punjabis before becoming a Sikh since Sikhism is supposed to be originally for the Punjabis? Show me where it is there such a document written. Already we are struggling to teach our own Sikhs to become better sikhs, there we are indirectly stopping other to become Sikhs. Everyone has to agree with me that our missionery mechanism is in a mess. Ordinary seeks seeking to gain more knowledge from Gurdwara programmes go back dejected because our programmes are just "to kill time". Like I have said in my 1st post. Gurdwaras are like club houses now. We invite our friends and relatives... good entertainment and good food... blah blah blah and off they go home and the only thing they will never forget is the food which was better that the last time they visited a gurdwara. Guru Nanak was the true missionery. Guru ji went all over to preach the new message intended for all human beings irrespective of race ,religion and caste. We the "original" sikhs are hiding these jewel from the rest making it very difficult to others to have a share as pointed out by rubicon. Quote
"Sometimes people only want to join a group to show they can." How sure are you??
Sangat Ji, already our own Sikhs do not appreciate our God given sikhi and we are stopping others. Judge our sikhs by the number of them keeping the rehat. Look at the number of our sikh children with their kesh slaughtered by their parents and you will know where our sikhi is heading. Sangat ji, if we ourselvelves cannot improve then lets not stop others. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1476
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| | | | | Re: An African American Woman - this is how we preach sikhi???! Quote:
Originally Posted by Amerikaur Unfortunately, Dr. Yogi Kaur's article was abbreviated on that particular website. She concludes her writing by detailing a suggested plan of action. The conclusion is below:
---------- In summary, the main obstacles members of the Sikh religion worldwide must overcome are: i. Excuses for rudeness and ignoring the curious, guests, and seekers. ii. Believing or behaving as if the Sikh religion belongs only to and is exclusively for those who are of a particular caste and/or culturally and ethnically Indian and from Punjab. iii. Not opening their doors and homes to non-Indian and non-Punjabi seekers and Sikhs. iv. Telling non-Punjabi speakers that the only way to understand, learn, research, discuss, absorb, and receive God's blessings, guidance, and enlightenment in the Sikh religion is through reading the Sri Guru Granth Sahib and Bani prayers in their original languages. God enlightens, blesses, guides, and transforms people as God sees fit. v. Having their non-Punjabi speaking guests, seekers, and Sikh members sit through 1-3 h of a worship service not understanding what is said, prayed, and sung; thereby, preventing learning and participation in worshipping God. vi. Ignoring seekers and new Sikhs requests and concerns by taking months, years, or decades to handle solvable issues and problems that are easily resolved within a week or month, because the guidelines for Sikhism were clearly written by the Gurus centuries ago. vii. Showing lack of joy and happiness when seekers of the Sikh religion move forward towards behaving as true Sikhs and receiving amrit baptism. viii. Not establishing, by just asking for volunteers to sign-up and join, rotational sewa subcommittees in the gurudwaras of:
* Volunteer translators made up of teens, youth, and/or adults.
* Volunteer welcomers (ushers) to greet guests and seekers.
* Volunteer information attendants to assist guests, seekers, and new Sikhs.
* Adult Punjabi school for only seekers and new Sikhs unfamiliar with the verbal and written language.
* Children Punjabi school for only children of seekers and new Sikhs unfamiliar with the verbal and written language, because Punjabi is not spoken in their households and among their family friends and members.
* Sri Guru Granth Sahib (translated and transliterated) study groups with study guidebooks for non-Punjabi speaking seekers and new Sikhs conducted in their own language.
* Volunteers of amritdhari Sikhs willing to administer amrit baptism, as well as the preparation and maintenance involved in doing so.
* Volunteers of teens and youth to oversee technical, audio, and visual matters relating to the gurudwara services. One example would consist of downloading onto a large viewing screen translated and transliterated raags/songs with page numbers, lectures by the granthic, prayers, Guru Granth Sabib readings with page and section numbers, and announcements for everyone in the congregation.
* Volunteers that oversee all types of matters that may arise in the gurudwara; thereby, freeing the gurudwara committee to focus on other important matters. ix. Making the Sikh religion inaccessible, invisible, and hidden by not:
* Providing major and other bookstores with books about Sikhism and the translated Sri Guru Granth Sahib (which can easily be placed on shelves behind glass).
* Posting Sikhism with gurdwara information and locations on boards in alternative bookstores, on campuses, and other locations.
* Setting up information tables on campuses as other secular and religious student groups.
* Just being friendly, saying hello to non-Indian and non-Punjabi people (seekers and the curious), and allowing them to ask questions.
* Just saying hello to other Sikhs, especially the new, non-Indian, and non-Punjabi Sikhs, and providing them with assistance and guidance.
* Inviting and/or finding a ride for interested persons and seekers of the Sikh religion.
* Publicly appearing as a Sikh with both the men and women wearing their 5 Ks and turbans (men and women). In conclusion, I am an African-American married to a Euro-American and we have a young son who is biracial. This is important to share because the journey leading to my family and I becoming Amritdhari Sikhs could have been less bumpy, but God has kept us on the path. We truly believe our race, ethnicity, and cultural backgrounds have contributed to our bumpy ride towards becoming accepted members of the Sikh religion. I look forward to presenting more in my next article. In the meantime, look around and see if there are any exclusionary practices and obstacles that can be easily changed on behalf of God. SikhSpectrum.com Monthly. Overcoming Exclusionary Practices and Obstacle in the Sikh Religion </font> |
Sevaral goods ideas there!.
Direct translation of Gurbani into the english language is quite difficult and even when made, might not be translated correctly or can not be translated exactly as not all the gurmukhi words are in the english dictionary. | 
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| | | | | Re: An African American Woman - This is how we preach sikhi Sat Nam!
I did say in an earlier thread on another topic that I have had a wonderful experience in both the 3HO Gurdwara in New Mexico, and the Sikh Gurdwara in Oklahoma City, even though I am not a Sikh. Perhaps in areas where there is such a small community people are more accepting? We were made to feel like family, and we intend to keep attending Gurdwara and getting involved in the activities. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1476Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1476
Good luck to you! 
Sat Nam!
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Originally Posted by Parvatasundari Sat Nam!
I did say in an earlier thread on another topic that I have had a wonderful experience in both the 3HO Gurdwara in New Mexico, and the Sikh Gurdwara in Oklahoma City, even though I am not a Sikh. Perhaps in areas where there is such a small community people are more accepting? We were made to feel like family, and we intend to keep attending Gurdwara and getting involved in the activities.
Good luck to you! 
Sat Nam!
Parvatasundari | Waheguru ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru ji Ki Fateh,
Not really, I think its "pot luck" in most cases. Some small communities are not that friendly. In my experience it depends on the "type" of sangat present in the Gurdwara that day.
Yes, I would also very much like to visit the 3HO Gurdwara in New Mexico one day. Meet Mrsikhnet and family, Guruka, Chardikala Jatha and the rest of the Sikh community there. | 
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| | | | | Re: An African American Woman - This is how we preach sikhi Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1476
Wahe Guru Ji Ki Fateh!
You must visit New Mexico! I am also aquainted with "Mr. Sikhnet". He has been very helpful to me on several topics that I asked his advice about. I wish you the best of luck. Yes, I do sometimes think it is "pot-luck" about who you meet from one day to the next. But this Oklahoma sangat is so small that I met the people who run the Gurdwara, and most of the members on that day! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1476
I guess I was lucky!
Sat Nam!!!!!!!
Peace!!!!
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| | | | | Re: An African American Woman - This is how we preach sikhi What possible reasons can there be that Punjabi Sikhs shy away from spreading Sikhism to other ethnic groups ?
Being a Punjabi Sikh myself, I had to be shaken out of my comfort zone and then pounded by wake up calls by dedicated non-punjabi sikhs that my version of sikhi is far from the original. They didn't say it but I came to realise it. I often termed myself as a lazy sikh because I had no discipline to get up early in the morning and meditate. Of course I do my Nitnem Daily, Rehras, Kirtan Sohila and Sukhmani Sahib but my mind wanders in four directions. I also engage in Kirtan sessions. Had taken amrit long long ago but ate Muslim Halal food from Malaysian Food Outlets on a regular basis. Never wore kechaira but a close copy of a ready-made underwear. Never wore a kirpan but kept unshorn hair throughout my life. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1476Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1476
Another thing is the level of education gap between me and Americans; most of whom have a string of PhD s.
I can learn from them instead of teaching them. Although I do realise that I have to separate punjabi culture from sikhism, I keep falling back into the same entrapments which takes me a long time to realise that I acted no different than a punjabi in general.
But I do realise that Punjabi language is not as important as we have been led to believe in the past. Why? because Pakistani Muslims also speak the same language. So if given a choice to educate my children, I will choose to educate them in gurmukhi than punjabi.
Some will say the two are inseparable - NOT TRUE. | 
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