Ek Omkar?

Lionchild · 25-02-2006, 12:25 AM

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Recently, I heard of this expression “Ik Omkar”, I already know the other one “Ik Onkar”, however, what is the difference between this one and “omkar”

Someone said it was the true word, I don’t know.

Can anyone explain?

Thanks

-Bindy Bains
(Formerly Khalsa Starr)

Hukum Kaur · #11 (**permalink**) 02-04-2006, 07:05 AM

Yogicly speaking, Ommmm
is the sound the Universe first made whaen it came into being. Omm would most likely be used by a monk on top of a mountain because he is submerged in the never ending Universe. However, Guru Nanak Ji taught us that we need not be renunciates to find God, that the life of house holder can meditate as well. So we have ong, which is the creative aspect of the self. In this society, we create income and children and homes etc...so we are honoring the creative ascpect of the universe. That is the difference between Ong and Omm, as I have come to understand it.
Sat Naam-Hukum Kaur-

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #12 (**permalink**) 02-04-2006, 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hukum Kaur

Yogicly speaking, Ommmm
is the sound the Universe first made whaen it came into being. Omm would most likely be used by a monk on top of a mountain because he is submerged in the never ending Universe. However, Guru Nanak Ji taught us that we need not be renunciates to find God, that the life of house holder can meditate as well. So we have ong, which is the creative aspect of the self. In this society, we create income and children and homes etc...so we are honoring the creative ascpect of the universe. That is the difference between Ong and Omm, as I have come to understand it.
Sat Naam-Hukum Kaur-

Beautiful...
But I am intrigued ...as there is no "g" in the Oankaar.... Guru Ji writes Open Oorra, TIPPI on Airra ( n sound) and then K+kena+r..there is NO "G" akhar or sound. ( This is in the banee Oankar..where the written form of the oankar is explained)Maybe there is a further explanation of where this "g" as in ONG comes from.

Thanks

Jarnail Singh Gyani

gursaggu · #13 (**permalink**) 07-07-2006, 03:37 PM

Guru Fateh,

I am a first generation learner, which means my parents never went to school.
In my child hood I heard only ek omkar from my parents. But later in my life I was in touch with more educated people who said>> ek onkar
what difference does it make whether you are a dhanna bhagat or a Kabir, ultimatly the goal is to be one with the divine.
Believe me there is nothing right or wrong, its only our evaluation.

Waheguru bless you

kind regards

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lionchild

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Recently, I heard of this expression “Ik Omkar”, I already know the other one “Ik Onkar”, however, what is the difference between this one and “omkar”

Someone said it was the true word, I don’t know.

Can anyone explain?

Thanks

-Bindy Bains
(Formerly Khalsa Starr)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lionchild

Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Recently, I heard of this expression “Ik Omkar”, I already know the other one “Ik Onkar”, however, what is the difference between this one and “omkar”

Someone said it was the true word, I don’t know.

Can anyone explain?

Thanks

-Bindy Bains
(Formerly Khalsa Starr)

Guru Fateh,

my elders were not educated they would pronounce ek omkar. the more educated pronounce ek onkar. what difference is it whether you are a Dhanna Bhagat or Kabir, ultimate aim is to be one with the divine.
There is nothing right or wrong, it is only our evaluations

waheguru bless us

kind regards
gurvinder

drkhalsa · #14 (**permalink**) 07-07-2006, 05:39 PM

Dear Friend

There is no problem if somebody pronounces it as omkar

But the point is that in guru Granth sahib It was meant to be pronounced as OAnkaar as evaluated by the Sikh Vidwaans

In other words names are of god and does not matter what name you take but when you want to go for detail meaning of word then this pronunciation comes

Jatinder Singh

DjKam1 · #15 (**permalink**) 11-10-2006, 02:27 PM

My family pronounces it "OM", so I'm not sure but I guess the post above clarifies it, as long as the belief and content is the same in the meaning it's all good.

kaur-1 · #16 (**permalink**) 12-10-2006, 12:53 AM

Got this from another site.

Quote:

eykw eykMkwr ilK idKwilAw]
eaekaa eaeka(n)kaar likh dhikhaaliaa||
By writing 1 (One) in the beginning, it has been shown that Ekankar, God, who subsumes all forms in Him is only one (and not two or three).
aUVw EAMkwr pws bhwilAw]
oorraa oua(n)kaar paas behaaliaa||
Ura, the first Gurmukhi letter, in the form of Oankar shows the world controlling power of that one Lord.

siqnwm krqwr inrBau BwilAw]
sathinaam karathaar nirabho bhaaliaa||
That Lord has been understood as the True-Name, Creator and the Fearless One.

inrvYrhu jYkwru AjUin AkwilAw]
niravairahu jaikaar ajoon akaaliaa||
He is devoid of rancour, beyond time and free from the cycle of transmigration.

s`c nIswx Apwr joq aujwilAw]
saach neesaan apaar joth oujaaliaa||
Hail the Lord! His mark is truth and He shines in bright effulgent flame.

pMc A`Kr aupkwr nwm smHwilAw]
pa(n)ch aakhar oupakaar naam samhaaliaa||
Five letters (1 Oankar) are altruists; they have in them the power of the person of the Lord.

prmySr suK swr ndir inhwilAw]
paramaeshar sukh saar nadhar nihaaliaa||
The individual, understanding their import becomes blest with graceful glance of God who is the essence of delights.

nau Amg suMn Sumwr sMg inrwilAw]
no amag su(n)n shumaar sa(n)g niraaliaa||
As the numerals from one to nine adding zero with them reach to the infinite count

nIl AnIl ivcwr iprm ipAwilAw ]ñõ]
neel aneel vichaar piram piaaliaa ||aa||
The persons who quaff the cup of love from their beloved become master of infinite powers.

the "g" is added I guess because its difficult to translate a Gurmukhi sound into english.

Its definately "oua(n)kaar" ie Ongkar or Onkar NOT Omkar (unless of course if you are a Hindu)

NamHariKaur · #17 (**permalink**) 31-10-2006, 09:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kaur-1

Got this from another site.

the "g" is added I guess because its difficult to translate a Gurmukhi sound into english.

Sat Nam;

Yes, I have read in a book that teaches Gurmukhi that the "g" is sometimes written in the English transliterations, to indicate to the student that there needs to be an end to the nasalized "n" sound - maybe that is called a "glottal stop" I am not sure whether that is the right term though. Such English versions put the "g" on the ends of some of the nasalized "n" letters. I do not recall in what circumstances they do it. Read this quite a while ago. In this particular case, with "Ek On(g) Kar," the "K" of Kar really already forces one to end the "n" sound anyway so no need really for that extra "g" yet I have seen it written there sometimes. But as pointed out by Kaur-1 and Gyan Singh, the "g" is not from the Gurmukhi.

Wahe Guru!
Nam Hari Kaur

Lionchild · #18 (**permalink**) 03-11-2006, 10:23 AM

So many replies! Thanks for the answers, I think it's a little clear than before. Thanks!

max314 · #19 (**permalink**) 04-11-2006, 02:30 AM

I think the meaning of the word matters more than the word itself.

What that word essentially represents in "One All-Binding Universal Force". That is laid down in Sikkhism as the 'Eternal Truth'.

kaur?princess? · #20 (**permalink**) 27-11-2006, 08:31 AM

I was always told it means "GOD is ONE." I guess it really doesn't make a difference as to what people say... perhaps they mean to say the same thing as anyone... it's just like one of those words that when you keep saying it... you kind of tend to change the way you say it... a lot of punjabi terms are the same.. for example.. some people say tohanu.. others say thonu... same meaning.. just changed it i guess to make it shorter.. or for no particular reason other than the fact that that's how they heard it.