I heard that the Raag Maala in Guru Granth Sahib is missing two other parts, that the first part was added into Guru Granth Sahib by Pandits and other Brahmanistic agents who wanted to influence Hinduism back into the Sikhs years ago, fighting against Mogals in the mountains. I heard that part two and three of Raag Maala is also very pornographic and sexy. Where can I get an English translation of these other two parts, and what book has them? Are they from rare Pandit books? Why is there no signature of the author in Raag Maala? Who wrote "ek oankar satgur prasaad after "tan man tivai hereya", that is before "Raag Maala?"

where is the link to see the entire raag mala. Can someone email me at harsimiritkaur@khalsa.com It does not show on this page. thanks

Can someone create these documents by retyping them in MS Word, and can someone make a rough translation so that I can understand them? Thanks.

Gurfateh

Respected Sister,

Raagmala is story based upon old strory in Sanskrit perhaps of a Brahmin musucian who expert with his girlfrined who was a dancer.

But this is tranlation carried out by a Muslim Preacher called Alam to preach Islam.

It is not done by Brahmin but a work of a Sufi.

Das will fgive brief of it.

There was a Pandit who was expoert in music or Raaga and due to thisd ladies of his state were after him.

He was made to leave that states wents to another thier also he gets invloved with a dancer and is again thrown out.

Lastly he goes to Vikrmaditya who helps him to get that lady(they die first and later on are revived by nector).

There are some referance of sexual acts and even orgasm in it especialy how feamles behaved after lstening to Brahmin or how he went ahead with dancer.

Das is only giving this ac**** after reading Part of Principal Surjeet Singh Ji of Delhi whose articles are found on Sikhmarg.com.

Das ,Akal Willing,will be carring some Tranlation work of his writing in Hindi,Engllish etc.

Das has no point to say that it is by Guru and agree to Churhmani Kavi Santokh Singh Ji that not by Guru but want to say that it is from Raagmala of Alam but retained or included by Guru in Guru Granth Sahib Ji for a noble broad minded reason and is again not the brahmionacal conspiracy.

Das read points made by Princepal Sahib on this matter which were there more to prove that Guru can not write it but what matters to das is weahter it is included by Guru in compliation or not.

Das wants to ask another question which Princepal Sahib could not answer ie where is the origeoanal or first copy of this Raagmala?

Das again wants to know this as by scince we can establish if it is writtan after compliation of Guru Granth Sahib Ji or after it.

Even though if it is writtan by Alam then also there is no reason that Guru was compleed to not to include it,Das will explain this later..

Gurfateh

Before Das start to write more about Raagmala or Dasham Granth Das would like to put some light on Sufi Muslims.

They were Preachers of Islam worldwide and like they used Farsi in Iran to preach in India they used Hindi to bring Hindus to Islam and did succed in it.

They start form Ameer Khusro then to till Malik Mohamud Jayesi and till Dhananand(Convert to Islam) and still further in chronological order.

Unlike in Gurmat or Bhakti where God is lova as Husband or Khasam in Sufis God is like female beloved.

They used thier mysiticism,did read Upnishads and did used Hindu mythology to paint Pesudo Brahmins wrong and Prove Allah above demi gods.

So it were not the Sikhs only who used the name or example of Hindu gods but Sufies also.We can see that in Padmawat which is by Jayasi but story is full of symbols for reaching Allah and often that love starts from physical love(which often is thought by hystrical wahabis as erotica as we have purist Sikhs of the same mind frame) and moves to explain spritual love to Allah from there.

Alam was one of the similar Sufi poet.

If we see the first paras of Raagmala there are praises to Allah and prophets and great Muslims sent by Allah.

Then when story starts we must know that introduction is thereby given as objective to meet Allah.

Name of the Kings and thier Kingdoms are more like emotions of human mind Bad or good and is typical of Sufis.

But Alam himslef states that it is not the total tranlation but many things he himself is adding.

Das will give two examples.

1. He refers to an intrtument of music called Tabla at the time of Vikrmaditya while Tabla and Sitar or Sehtar were made by Hazrat Ameer Khusaro.In fact Khusro Sahib Divied another dholl like intrument like two sided drum into two differnt drums to make Tabla from Pakhawaj.

Das doudt that at the time of Vikrmaditya(mosr probabaly Chandrgupta 2nd when it was called Golden Era of Hindus) weather one could have articial finger made up of wax as menationed there.

2. In Raagmala we have mention of Raags like Todi(could be near Mia Ki Tori),Bilawal or Gujari which ahve names which came to use much after Vikramaditya.

Such things only point that such parts were interpolated by Alam himslef and had to do with sufi mysiticism then any Brahmnaical plot.
As Das finds Gurmat more near to Islam then Hinduism.

Das will further give the reason that why 1 is repeated in Raagmala and what could be its motive to be included in Adi Guru Darbar as in book of Parchool so far Principal Sahib have tried to prove it not by Gurus but Das wants to prove that it was ACCEPTED by Guru to be included.

Gurfateh

Das wants your kind attention on the following link
http://www.sikhawareness.com/files/K...rh%20Baare.pdf

Gurfateh

Das is also forwarding the website of Principal Surjeet Singh Ji Sikh Missionary of Delhi and Das will soon be starting to work with him.

you may soon have the online version in english which will be anti Raagmala.

Das has many differances with principal Sahib viz a viz orthodox Sikhs,Dasham Granth and Raagmala yet das feels that he should be supported among most of the reformers to fight ritualism and dogamticim etc. which is often refered as brahmanicalism.

So for thier crusade to oblitrate anti panthic things from Panth das will keep on supporting them to his fullest.

link below as follow where soon das will try to bring online version of both writings opposing raagmala and Dasham Granth.(das has views differant due to differant preception for which das got a pat from Principal Sahib but it is not an approval by Principal Sahib.)

http://gurbaniguru.com/gec.html

and search the follwing link

http://gurbaniguru.com/new%20lessons.htm

Gurfateh

Das got about five books to deal with thi subject more few words of infomationas as follow.

1. Das will ost soon that nagri scrit version of raagmala of Madhav Naal Kaam Kandala is unlike that of one at end of our Guru.
Das could find only 70% overlap but just for the sake of objectiviyt gives it 80% but 20% is diffrant.

Das will put that online also.

2.Das could get the address of oldest copy of the same.
It is from Samwat 1712 ie if we remove 49 years from it we will get Christian era.But that Kankroli Pratilipi may be younger till we get forensic results.

3.It is latter than Both Kartarpuri Beerh and Bhai Bannu Beerh.
4. Writing period of Alam is deemd between 1740 to 1760 by most Hindi experts.

5.He was under the sustainance of prince Moajjam s/o Aurnagzeeb.
6. same prince was Helpred by Tenth Guru in becoming King.

7. Story of Madhav Nal and Kam Kandala was writtan by mnay others writers before also.

8. Hindi writers talk of 2 Alams and First one has to be at the time of Akbar as his Madhavnal Kam Kandala has some time writtan which they deem tobe time of writng thie epic.
9.Alam one is deemed as Sufi Muslim while two is also Muslim convert but put in line of Surdas and Kavi Gang(later is mentioned in Bhangus book Panth Prakash).
Like surdas Alam two wrote Krishan related text ie syam Snehi and Sudama Charitara.
another loose text or Musktak Kavya is as Alam keli.

These things does mention of Muazzam.

(to be continued..)

Good effort at objectivity..vijay deep singh jio. Will comment after going through thoroughly. Thansk.

jarnail singh gyani

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Gurfateh

Das is putting Raagmala part of aothantic version of Madhavnal Kaam Kandala.

Parts differnt from one in Guru Granth Sahib Ji are underlined.

Das wants to say that there are other versions of the same stroy by other writers who hapened to be before and after Alam also.

I cant read HINDI - DEVNAGREE SCRIPT....sad

Jarnail singh gyani

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