Curse, Black Magic (aka Toona) and Evil Spirits

harry haller · #28 (**permalink**) 05-Aug-2012, 23:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Kamala

I know you may not believe in it (I don't believe in it either), but I don't see why you cannot do it just for "fun"?

Kamalaji

Is it fun when people are so scared they will give good money to a charlatan who promises them the world?
Is it fun when you are convinced of your back luck, and pay fortunes to have it reversed?
Is it fun to be in love with someone, and then have it dashed because some bearded fool in loon pants, believes the birthdays are mismatched?

Doing this for fun seems strange.. what else do you do for fun Bhenji?

Ishna · #29 (**permalink**) 06-Aug-2012, 06:05 AM

Confusedji

My comparison is not regarding your understanding of karma, it's regarding the presentation of your opinion as the only truth and fact. It is a Buddhist opinion and you seem to be telling everyone here that we're ignorant and that our beliefs are false because some of us may not agree with you.

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You see Ishna ji, it may be that the message has not gotten across to you.

Ditto.

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Well don't people here think that Sikhi teaches the Truth which no other religion teaches, and don't you see a huge difference to Buddhist teachings?

No, Sikhi teaches that Truth is universal - it can be perceived by anyone regardless of their religion.

And yep, there is a big difference between Sikh and Buddhist teachings and frankly I'm not interested in the Buddhist ones - that's why I'm here!

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Actually I've often had the impression of talking with no one listening to me. ;-)

I for one prefer to have discussion rather than read pages of one person's understanding presented as infalliable fact.

I think I've made my point and will now be quiet.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #30 (**permalink**) 06-Aug-2012, 06:38 AM

I like it when someone admits to belief IN.... a lot in FUN...devis, devtas, bhgwaans..witches, goblins, satan, blood sucking vampires..dracula harry potter.. becasue ALL THESE from A-Z are really the SAME THING...FUN and Entertainment..ONLY TRUTH is AKAL PURAKH...and that is a SERIOUS SUBJECT.

Archived_member14 · #31 (**permalink**) 07-Aug-2012, 08:59 AM

Ishnaji,

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My comparison is not regarding your understanding of karma, it's regarding the presentation of your opinion as the only truth and fact. It is a Buddhist opinion and you seem to be telling everyone here that we're ignorant and that our beliefs are false because some of us may not agree with you.

For you it is an opinion, this is understandable. It is because you do not understand what I understand, which is that karma is a truth, against which every objection, because these point to what I consider wrong view, is seen as wrong and coming from ignorance. It is not simply because you and others disagree with me. Given this, how can you expect me to consider what I think about karma as only my opinion?

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Quote: Well don't people here think that Sikhi teaches the Truth which no other religion teaches, and don't you see a huge difference to Buddhist teachings?

No, Sikhi teaches that Truth is universal - it can be perceived by anyone regardless of their religion.

Well you are changing the issue. It is not about whether the truth is universal and applicable to all, but whether it was taught by anyone else.

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And yep, there is a big difference between Sikh and Buddhist teachings and frankly I'm not interested in the Buddhist ones - that's why I'm here!

So, the universal truth is taught in Sikhi and not in Buddhism…?

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Quote: Actually I've often had the impression of talking with no one listening to me. ;-)

I for one prefer to have discussion rather than read pages of one person's understanding presented as infalliable fact.

But still you read, and this is good enough for me. ;-)
If it is the Truth, then it must be infallible. But what is better, expressing the truth clearly and directly although this may put some people or even everyone off, or being indirect, hence opening the way for misinterpretation whereby the Truth is then understood wrongly and believed in?

Ishna · #32 (**permalink**) 07-Aug-2012, 10:01 AM

Confusedji

We are chasing our tails with this discussion. I disagree with your presentation of the 'facts' as you understand them and judgement of other people's understanding as false, end of story.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/controversies/38876-curse-black-magic-aka-toona-evil.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38876

If you want to continue, we can do so in PM, but as I said previously, I've already made my point and won't post about this anymore.

harcharanjitsinghdhillon · #33 (**permalink**) 28-Nov-2012, 16:49 PM

when nothing was created yet, there was no karmas at all, only the lord was there in unmanifested form.. when the lord manifested, creation came into action, souls were created.. the expanse of the creation is very large.. souls were placed in maya, and were subjected to law of karmas..the universal mind is the one who had subjected the law of karmas to the souls.. but the good waheguru lord has placed his naam there, so it is only thru the naam the soul can earned an escape from maya- the 3 loks..