Sikh Boys Doing Stunts on Reality Shows?

This has appeared in the Daily Mail this week under the title "warriors of Goja".. It was posted on my facebook by a Lithuanian kid 15 yrs .... we had a good discussion when I mentioned that they were Sikhs and could fight if needed...anyway he didnt know anything about sikhism.

I mentioned that Sikhs have always stood up against tyranny, why the turban was important etc...He was interested...He is into Manga comics and posted "the battle of chamkaur" video.....As a kid he said the warrior with the white beard was cool


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Explained the vikings wern't the only cool people and he wanted to know more about Baba Deep Singh...(the cool warrior as he said)

He admires Sikhs and knows so much more now.... also something about the ethics,morality and that we are not thugs. Sikhism 1 Vikings 0 ;-) ... and also history..... He still thinks Thor and his hammer could have beaten them all...BUT WONDERFUL that kids are asking questions. Its up to us to explain.

 
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A picture speaks a thousand words so why not use the picture to show those ideas rather than the opposite? To how many people can you personally explain?

Of course there is something positive in everything that is horribly perceived, cow poo makes excellent fertiliser, I heard a rumour once that a BMW X5 managed to navigate reasonably in the snow, sure, one can see the positive in this, just as I can see the positive in a cowpat, however, We tend to focus on the overal message as perceived by others, namely, cow poo smells, and the X5 is a truly awful car that gives 4x4 types a bad name

From a non Sikh point of view, the blood, the bare chests, the egos, the pride, and, the actual reason for doing it, smells too much to appreciate any secondary value, although such value must exist, as stated by others in this thread

As the opening post remarked "So far,The video has 5.5 million views in 9 days, and 90% of People who have rated the video have liked it ,in the reaction Bar most people have rated it 'Incredible'."
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One question that is important is are they trying to represent Sikhism in the show or are they just Sikhs who happen to be in this show ?

I believe the latter !!

5.5 million people have watched it and many probably dont know too much about Sikhism..those that are interested will research and find out more. Perhaps it is just a show and "much ado about nothing" .

I remember as a kid when the Sikh was the bad guy bodyguard in a James Bond film..and again he was accused of bringing Sikhism into a bad light. Perhaps he was just an actor.!!

With reference to hurting oneself, that happens in every martial art. Ive broken my wrist and collar bone doing Aikido. I am sure accidents happen in Gatka.... but I dont think the show tries to pretend this is any sort of martial art.

As the opening post makes clear "the video is uploaded by probably a westerner ,who copied a similar video uploaded by some South Indian" SO WHAT ? "there is hardly any mention of Sikh or Sikhi" ITs a show by Sikhs not about Sikhism !! I DONT SEE non-Sikh media outlets discussing the show with any regards to Sikhism as a whole, except the reference to warrior-saints occasionally.... Not many religions have their own martial art and to some extent it is an image that has been encouraged. I dont see the portrayal of Sikhism as a whole in a bad light.

Besides they are NOT boys..They are mainly Men.

Interesting, if one watches it taking out the fact that they are Sikhs first, and just watches it as a demonstration of martial skills, that just happen to have Sikhs in it, it does take on a slightly different hue,
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It does beg the question for us all, are we Sikhs that happen to be people, or people that happen to be Sikhs, how much does and should Sikhi define us as ourselves, after giving consideration to LionSinghji's reply, maybe we should concentrate on being good people in line with Sikhi thinking, rather than good Sikhs in line with popular or people thinking, certainly something to muse about whilst missing the News of the World on a Sunday....

What annoys me more is the 2nd video posted by Harsh72. I have issues with that more that the show video. It is clearly an expression of Gatka .....and Khalsa identity.


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An Indian show...the imbecile male judge in the middle...he complains that it is a child. If it wernt for young Sikhs learning such skills and fighting for freedom and India...he would be speaking Arabic now and a show like his would never have been allowed. Perhaps he is also against Guru Gobind Singh Ji for being TOO young on his Guruship to have fought for his and our freedoms !!!

Obviously he equates Sikh history with violence and then waffles on about the child safety. Dont hear him condemn all the young Sikhs who died for India. Dont see any understanding of the importance that Gatka is a discipline.....all he says " Its is promoting young kids with violence" !!!!!!

That is a disgrace when Indians themselves dont understand the essence of Sikhism..to equate it to violence. ...in this case one ignorant judge. He has insulted Sikhism more than anyone else. Let him condemn Guru Goibind Singh Ji for learning the same and ignore the disciple and sacrifice Sikh children have made to allow him to speak rubbish !!!!!

They dont complain when Sikhs die in their wars do they !!! That is the INSULT. Thank the Gurus that not all India is so blind and forgetfull.

The world defines all on their appearance whether that be looks, clothes, skin colour, hair colour or attire. You cannot ignore the fact they look like Sikhs as people who don't know better (probably the majority of viewers) will judge all other Sikhs in the same way due to appearance.

I agree with Findingmyway that the bare chests were a bit much, although I must admit I had not noticed that they were shaved ,I must commend her on her attention to detail !

No chests please were British!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=cKfxAUFo7xo

No it is entertainment/TV. Just because one is a Sikh does not restrict them from doing stunts. Let us not preach and if one doesn't like don't watch.
Badly but there are too many examples of many Sikhs doing much worse stuff. Likes of drug dealers (someone even cut out middle of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and hid Opium and brought it to Canada). Even more damaging are the Sikh leaders in Punjab from their behavior and destruction that will last generations. This video will be forgotten in couple of weeks.
The question only comes about if somebody claimed it was. It is entertainment nothing more and nothing less. If it scares some goons from doing mischief to Sikhs that probably will be only probable redeemable value.

Yes.

Yes.

Some videos one likes others one doesn't. I don't care for this stuff.

I am sure if it came out of a Bollywood movie it will be considered in different light. For me entertainment is Entertainment. I decide what I watch and what I like to watch.

Sat Sri Akal.