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I appreciate your balanced response to this article. It took some reflection before publishing it. First of all, there are no statistics in evidence. And that is a shortcoming of the entire matter. Whether statistics would be easy to collect without placing teenagers in danger is a question that I have. We are looking at a small and concentrated population of teenagers in a relatively small geographical region. So anonymity may be hard to protect.

We have published the story that you have cited that gives the response of the NZ Sikh community to the publication and Shakti/Michael. There too the reaction was only balanced.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/contro...marriages.html

It seems that no one wants to sweep the matter under the rug and the main request is to find evidence that will underscore the prevalence of the problem, rather than label entire communities in a negative way.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/controversies/34478-teens-forced-into-marriages.html

My own reaction is that the law which allows marriages by granthis and mullahs who have not been required to register as legal agents to conduct nuptial ceremonies is a matter of concern.

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My concern with the starter article and follow up material I have seen is that no examples are presented involving Sikhs yet Sikhs are the 1st community mentioned. I have been following this and what has been happening behind the scenes and would like to briefly report back.

Many members of the NZ Sikh society have been very active in contacting the paper and Shakti to ask on what they base their allegations so if there are issues they can be tackled. A call has been made within the community so if anyone knows of any problems then again appropriate steps can be taken to tackle the issues as such behaviour is not acceptable. Shakti has not been able to provide any evidence and all their official documents cite examples from other communities rather than Sikhs. Special meetings have been held to discuss the situation. Today I found out from someone in NZ that todays Sunday Star Times has printed and explanation and apology. This is not yet appeared online but I will keep checking.
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As many as 50 underage New Zealand girls a year are being forced into marriages by Sikh and Muslim religious leaders who abuse a loophole in the Marriage Act to get away with it.

A respected ethnic women's group, Shakti Community Council, is making the claim this week as it launches a media campaign to get the act changed.

"Within Sikh temples and mosques, girls as young as 13 and 14 are being married off and without being registered," Shila Nair of Shakti told the Sunday Star-Times.

The marriages, performed by imams and granthi who know the law and the ethnic loophole, are consummated. "The girls are getting pregnant as young as 14 and 15," Nair says. "Even the school systems do not pick it up and the girls go through a lot of suffering.

"It is a large problem – these girls do not come out, only when the abuse gets bad, do they seek help."

Leaders of the Muslim community in New Zealand, however, say they are unaware of any underage marriages being performed here.

Dr Mohammed Musa, of the Federation of Islamic Associations of New Zealand, said he had checked with the head of the religious community and he was adamant that no religious leader in the Muslim community would be reckless enough to perform a marriage ceremony in which the bride was underage.

"He's been in contact with all the religious leaders around the country, who are also marriage celebrants, and he's never been aware of any such marriages being conducted in New Zealand. The laws of this land do not permit this kind of affair," Musa said.

Under the Marriage Act ethnic religious leaders do not need to be registered as marriage celebrants.

Two years ago, Shakti launched a lobbying campaign with politicians to get this changed and the organisation said it believed the government would make the reforms. It also feared that, in an election year, the government may back off for fear of offending politically active Sikhs and Muslims in Auckland and Hamilton.

On Thursday, Shakti will brief the media and provide an extensive report on the problem.

It will also call on the government to create a special policing unit similar to Britain's Home Office Forced Marriage Unit.

Nair said she had no doubt that imams and granthi knew that they were performing marriages unacceptable to the wider New Zealand community.

"They cannot claim ignorance," she said, adding that Shakti was attracting hostility from Sikh and Muslim leaders.

"The community doesn't want to accept it, they say it is a one-off thing. We know, working with women, that it's not one-off."
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Nair said Shakti is culturally sensitive, but is strong on defining what is appropriate for women.

"[Ethnic communities] have to know they are not living in their country where their laws probably permit this," she said. "They are living in New Zealand and this is clearly a violation of the fundamental rights of the girl, child and women, and it's not acceptable."

Underage girls were being married off in a religious context. "These girls are deprived of their rights to study, to work, and they are girls growing up in New Zealand."

The girls are mostly locally born but their parents are from abroard and occasionally the male involved is brought in under an arranged marriage which Immigration New Zealand permits.

"[Underage arranged marriages] should not be permissible within New Zealand," Nair says. "And we, as a women's organisation, we have been lobbying against these kind of things that infringe on the rights of girl children and young women."

Anjum Rahman, of the Islamic Women's Council, said she was unaware of such marriages being performed in New Zealand. "If people are doing this, they must be doing it very quietly or within a closed community because we are certainly not aware of it.

"There is no knowledge that this is happening in any kind of way. If it is happening, it is happening underground and away from our knowledge," Rahman said. "It is certainly in no way sanctioned or approved of by our organisation."

- Sunday Star Times

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/4651...into-marriages
i am confident to say that no parents want to marry their daughters at the age of 13 and 14, and i am also confident that these parents are forced to do so not because of their cultural beliefs but by the teenage girls attitude,which is being supported by law of the land of these countires.its not hidden that teenage girls are getting pregnant at age of 13 and 14 by have sex with their boy friends.(its strange they dont mind getting pregnant in this way but getting married and getting pregnant they dont like.
i wanted to ask shakti has they ever gone to teenage girls to advice them on not having sex at this underage.
(""Underage girls were being married off in a religious context. "These girls are deprived of their rights to study, to work, and they are girls growing up in New Zealand."")quote.
does shakti knows that these teenage girls show more concentration on sociealising ,boys and sex rather than concentrating on studies.
when parents migrate to these countries they always do so for a better future of their kids but what parents do when kids dont understand that .
no parents want to deprive their kids from studies,and if they are getting their teenage girls married its so because they are scared that their daughter might someday come home pregnant.
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I do think the context for Shakti's work in this area has been misunderstood and made to look more sensational than was the original purpose of the appeal to Parliament.

The motivation was to pass a law where imams and granthis (or whomever officiates and signs off on a Sikh wedding in a particular instance) be required to be registered with the government, as with other clergy in other religions. The Sikh faith has no clergy. Therefore, the one who officiates need not be authorized to perform marriages in NZ. Shakti was making an effort to monitor marriages in these two instances so that marriages of underage girls would not happen in the first place...not even one example.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34478
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The press coverage made this point but did not emphasize it enough.
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The forum seems to have taken a defensive stance against a warning someone is trying to put forward. I gather two issues:
  • Under age forced (or unforced too) marriages.
  • Abuse of girls after marriage by the male partner to extract favours or funds from girls’ side in form of ‘dowry’.
Neither of these (and may be a lot more issues) are commendable. I would not defend the perpetrators or myself if there was no truth in the matter. I would like to be above the arrows being shot.
Our clergy is not well known to be aware or educated enough to be able to advise the parents on these and related items with conviction.
Our spiritual leaders and politicians in Punjab India are impotent to help and show us the direction.
New Zealand is a small community (sparsely populated admittedly) and in a unique position in my view to be able to set an example for Sikhi and the world.
Why not add these into the constitution of the Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee and ensure that the granthis and other ‘leaders’ of the gurdwaras are all capable of advising and helping in case of reported crime or anyone needing help. They need not have councillors but should be able to advise the parties about say ‘Childline’, Woman abuse groups, drug addiction etc. These can be supplemented with written material also.
The second issue is more thorny and ingrained in the Indian (Punjabi that matters here) Society.
It is still possible for the Gurdwara Parbandhak Committees or individual gurdwaras to contribute.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34478
I float an idea that might help.
Make a group that includes people of different walks of life (may be different religions of Punjabis). This group should have knowledge of the need, history, and abuse of Dowry system.
I can suggest a name “Avarice Indian Dowry System group”.
Some funds should be put into this group for the real needy (there may be some pertinent recipient who may need help). All the families should be encouraged to report to this group of the demands from the prospective family for the help they require.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=34478
Any request bordering criminality should be rewarded with the funds after parading with the family head and the requester with garland of shoes and black faces on donkeys through the town in full glory of Sikh community.
May be this should also have a written document emphasising the need of ‘kirt’ and denigrating leeching as a Sikh activity. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has good writing about earning honest living.
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