Inter-Religion Marriage Not Valid Under HMA: HC

BhagatSingh · #19 (**permalink**) 04-Jan-2011, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

spnadmin ji I assume you mean Professor Sahib Singh ji (not Sabib).

If I am not mistaken, I see you occasionally quote translations in English. Is one available on this site or where can I get one? I can read Punjabi but I don't have too many viakhia books but have some from my father.

Sat Sri Akal

This a good website, I have had no problems with it so far: srigranth.org

spnadmin · #20 (**permalink**) 04-Jan-2011, 04:52 AM

Ambarasia ji, and Bhagat Singh ji

Thanks. I will correct the spelling error.

The site I typically use is not srigranth.org, but searchgurbani.com...where the translation is by Dr. Sant Singh.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/controversies/33790-inter-religion-marriage-not-valid-under.html
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=33790

At srigranth.org you have a choice between two translations. One by Dr. Sant Singh and one by Bhai Manmohan Singh. Many people prefer the Manmohan Singh translation here at SPN, but not all.

I also use a translation by Dr. Gurcharan Singh Talib on occasion. This is not available on the Internet. The Talib translation is 4-volume set which goes into nearly every line in great detail, giving annotations and explanations of translations. Often alternative translations are given. Worth every penny spent.

Comparing several translations is often a very valuable strategy.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #21 (**permalink**) 04-Jan-2011, 17:40 PM

Arent ALL Indian SIKH marriages under the HINDU MARRIAGE ACT ??...and so NOW they are all ILLEGAL because SIKHS are NOT HINDUS !! ????? Each and EVERY Sikh Marriage after 1947 is ILLEGAL. PERIOD....and so their offspring are ????

spnadmin · #22 (**permalink**) 04-Jan-2011, 17:46 PM

Thanks Gyani ji

That was the part I was completely fuddle faddled by -- just what you said -- just as I thought I had understood -- I did not. This is about inter-religion though. So I think what they are saying is that a Sikh and a non-Sikh need to convert. If it is 2 Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains OK you are covered.

Ambarsaria · #23 (**permalink**) 22-May-2011, 21:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gyani Jarnail Singh

Arent ALL Indian SIKH marriages under the HINDU MARRIAGE ACT ??...and so NOW they are all ILLEGAL because SIKHS are NOT HINDUS !! ????? Each and EVERY Sikh Marriage after 1947 is ILLEGAL. PERIOD....and so their offspring are ????

Gyani Jarnail Singh ji I believe Sikhs are considered and bunched with Hindus in "Hindu Marriage Act". Be it there may be Hidu Jains, Vishnu followers, Kali Mata followers, Ganesh followers, or Just plain Hindu Sikhs winkingmunda. End is not too far for Sikhs in India at least in the sense of Sikhism that our Gurus meant it to be which was highly distinctive of Hiduism and Islam!

If someone cares to read Sikh Rehat Maryada it is worth noting that it does not recognize any other religions other than Sikhism and just treats these as faiths. This will include Hiduism, Islam and Christianity amongst many others.

Sat Sri Akal.

spnadmin · #24 (**permalink**) 22-May-2011, 23:09 PM

Just to note: Under the Hindu Marriage Acts, Christians and Muslims are specifically excluded. Any "dharmic" religion is considered "Hindu" and thus is included in its provisions: i.e., Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists and Jains. Parsees are not included.

Ambarsaria · #25 (**permalink**) 23-May-2011, 00:03 AM

spnadmin ji I note some comments on the following in your post,

Quote:

Just to note: Under the Hindu Marriage Acts, Christians and Muslims are specifically excluded.

There is no question that the people who drafted such were of the mind set that anything that came out of Hinduism needs to be included as the long term goal was and is to get such back into the Hinduism fold. The driving core force in Hinduism is the Brahmin. The Brahmins were the chief and at the top pedestal. They have not forgotten how Sikhism and Buddhism toppled their empire, prestige and livelihood.

They had no choice as far as Islam or Christianity was concerned.

The people were conniving but not stupid. They did not want to attract the riots from Muslims. They also did not want arguments against so called secularism from the logical and well written/spoken Christians who they wanted to keep on side..

We can sugar coat it under dharmic and other fodder.

Sat Sri Akal.